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  1. #21
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    Tsukino's Avatar
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    Tsukino Mahou
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    Adamantoise
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarnee View Post
    Did Final Steps of Faith get nerfed or did people just out gear it? That's a pity if it did, Steps of Faith was just boring and tedious, Final Steps was/is a flipping amazing fight.
    It did not get nerfed, people did just out-gear it mostly, and I would tend to believe the developers agree with you on why they changed one and not the other.

    People quit all the time on the original Steps of Faith because it was frustrating and boring to know at a certain point that it was impossible to win, yet have to wait until the dragon makes it all the way to the end so you can lose officially and try again. People generally did not quit on the Final Steps of Faith because loss was a wipe and an instant chance to try again - they complained some, sure, but generally stuck with people for several attempts like most trials.

    I think the original Steps of Faith is also kind of similar to how we don't have full-party dungeons anymore after the end of the 2.0 story. Doing things really differently looks good on paper, because it brings variety to the game, but in the hands of MMO players who tend toward efficiency as a group, when "different" equates to a waste of time people avoid it. None of this has anything to do with difficulty, only speed and efficiency.
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  2. #22
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    Hyperia's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Aileen Pureheart
    World
    Sargatanas
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    White Mage Lv 100
    The biggest problem I see with this fight is that a lot of the really good players are going to blow through this and leaving everybody else behind. While you may enjoy the fight, endless wiping on it and being blocked from completing the MSQ is no fun. I also expect this to become the new /quit trial when people get placed into it.
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  3. #23
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    Nicodemus_Mercy's Avatar
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    Nicodemus Mercy
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    Midgardsormr
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    The biggest problem I see with this fight is that a lot of the really good players are going to blow through this and leaving everybody else behind. While you may enjoy the fight, endless wiping on it and being blocked from completing the MSQ is no fun. I also expect this to become the new /quit trial when people get placed into it.
    I think the concern here is misplaced. The trial roulette will inevitably skew towards the Royal Menagerie due to people queuing directly to complete the MSQ. Just like today, I got the Chrysalis for my trial roulette of 53 RDM with 3 new people to the instance who queued directly for the msq. I wouldn't worry too much. If anything new people coming in late are going to have an easier time because there will be a mix of experienced players as part of their group from the trial roulette.
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    Last edited by Nicodemus_Mercy; 06-25-2017 at 06:58 AM.
    How many men am I involved with? Well that depends... do you mean men as in males? Or just midlanders?

  4. #24
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    Ferrasper's Avatar
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    Doctor Fumbles
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    I just completed it. It was tough, but it was fun as well. Took about 5-6 wipes to get it down.
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  5. #25
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    Edwin Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrasper View Post
    I just completed it. It was tough, but it was fun as well. Took about 5-6 wipes to get it down.
    You're lucky.

    I did not complete this place until after my 34th wipe attempted due to being in DF group. This is certainly a fight that is not easily cleared with random people with ilvl 280 to ilvl 290 gear but most likely will be easier with ilvl 310 and higher later.
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  6. #26
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    Stanelis's Avatar
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    Character
    Irvy Ryath
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 85
    The encounter is very easy once people get to know the mechanics. I can't wait for the savage version.
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  7. #27
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    The fight was fun, and beating it felt great...

    But the chances of finding 7 people who can dodge are quite slim.
    I wouldn't mind if it got an echo after getting beaten, so it can be done with the average player and you don't need to get lucky with the DF.
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  8. #28
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Haven't had my heart beat so fast as a healer in a story fight before, it's really fun and also challenging! Beat this in my 2nd DF party (didn't know a single person in either) on 6th try (I think). Both parties were making great progress, the first one just ran out of time before win (it was certainly capable of winning). I wish to see much more story content like this!
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  9. #29
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    Robas Kebas
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    Odin
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    Samurai Lv 100
    It was a fun fight, but the numerous wipes makes me start to hate the fight and avoid the trial.
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  10. #30
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    Doctor Fumbles
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinLi View Post
    You're lucky.

    I did not complete this place until after my 34th wipe attempted due to being in DF group. This is certainly a fight that is not easily cleared with random people with ilvl 280 to ilvl 290 gear but most likely will be easier with ilvl 310 and higher later.
    This one was in a DF group. It was just a chill bunch of people. No argueing or anything, we even laughed at some of the mistakes we made.
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