Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ariomi]

I know, and I'm not debating on this. I think that Titan+Sustain was completly OP, so the nerf doesn't bother me that much. Besides, I did all my leveling with Titan-egi just fine.

And how is titan Op when every other class can solo just fine? Titan is nothing more then a tremendous dps loss when ifrit/garuda can increase the damage dealt to enemies. You ever see titan used in a raid? Not even worth it in solo play.

Except that Sustain never saved a pet getting instakilled from a boss cleave or very powerful DoT.

So no, I don't mind spending 18% of my mana once in a blue moon because I forgot to take my pet back before a cleave.
Stop acting like your pet dies every 2 minutes. It doesn't.

A large amount of people would disagree with you.

Sustain would be enough to save my pet in 90% of the situations it is in as it dies to raid wide aoes. Also you have no clue what you are talking about. Take a look at machinist. Their turrets can die and they have no way to heal them. So when a Machinist summons a turret, it is instant cast, costs no tp/mp and has a 10 second cooldown. 18% mana and using a summoner cooldown to get back a large portion of your dps is not ok. 18% of you mana is two minutes worth of aetherflow.

[Fyce]

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I understand what Exterium meant when saying that it was like talking to a wall.

Okay, you win. I don't have time for this. Sustain is an awesome skill that you need to use all the time in duties because your pet in constantly dying for whatever reason, and boss cleaves (like A12S where it's the most likely to happen) don't kill your pet and you're able to save it with Sustain.
I'm clearly not playing the same game as you, so I can't relate. I haven't used Sustain in a year, and I use Titan-egi for solo stuff all the time just fine.

Sorry that the loss of Sustain makes you unable to play correctly. We'll have to agree to disagree, because it doesn't affect me the slightest.

[Liii]

Sustain is used in 4man content and below during 3.0. I would have no qualms with them taking it away if they gave smn some form of survivability (and if they don\\'t pull another midgardsormir, secs have crap consistency with pet invuln coding) We have no self heal worth a damn and our tank pet works against our lvl 70 skill. To discourage using titan and give us nothing in return feels horrible. Now flash forward to 4.0 I personally have not made it to end game content on my smn because irl issues but my friend who\\'/ raced there and pretty much cleared everything says that pets now take incredibly INCREASED damage from mechanics in end game than they usually do and they do die a lot now. With the increasing need to MOVE your pet closer to melee range for devotion (fuck this skill) and the increased use of ifrit the chances of death are higher. A cleave may outright kill them, but a ground aoe won\\'t outright, but take a huge chunk and we now have no way to heal them. Can\\'t dodge on pet bc they\\'re still janky as nuts to control and movement = dps loss.

Tldr; would not mind sustain removal if they didn\\'t make current pets take increased dmg compared to 3.0 and if our current skills and the current remake of radiant shield didn\\'t require us to move them in dangers path even more while still discouraging re-summoning in general.

[Ariomi]

Okay, you win. I don't have time for this. Sustain is an awesome skill that you need to use all the time in duties because your pet in constantly dying for whatever reason, and boss cleaves (like A12S where it's the most likely to happen) don't kill your pet and you're able to save it with Sustain.
I'm clearly not playing the same game as you, so I can't relate. I haven't used Sustain in a year, and I use Titan-egi for solo stuff all the time just fine.

Try beating a12s without echo (without handicap) before you throw around insults. (feel free to look me up. I have better numbers then you do and I didn't have a bard in my group ) And not sure you noticed, or your too stubborn to take notice, but no other class in the game can have 20% of their dps die and then suffer such a large penalty for it. You completely ignore that Machinist, the class closest to play style in summoner can have their turret die. It doesn't cost them any mp/tp/dps to re-summon it. Their turret is instant cast and has a 10 second cooldown. Pets are effected by more aoe damage this expansion compared to heavensward.You would be whining like the rest of us if your pet died after every mega holy, almost holy, or after defamation. There are cases like this in stormblood where your pet can get hit by everything, and you are spending needless amounts of mp to keep it alive. More Mp spent on pet = Less mp to use on spells and less time attacking.

Meanwhile Monk/Samurai/Ninja/Dragoon/Machinist/Bard/Red Mage/Black Mage don't have to spend any mp to swiftcast rez 25% of their dps.