Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Fyce]

You are objectively wrong, when a summoner has to ask a healer to keep our pet that is 25% of our dps alive. If many many people have a problem with a job it probably needs to be tweaked

If only we had an ability which would allow us to bring back our pet instantly if it died... We'd call that "Swiftcast", because it'd allow us to cast swiftly.
I'm so good at coming up with names of things that absolutly do not exist yet. Good job me.

[Ariomi]

If only we had an ability which would allow us to bring back our pet instantly if it died... We'd call that "Swiftcast", because it'd allow us to cast swiftly.
I'm so good at coming up with names of things that absolutly do not exist yet. Good job me.

Except that re-summoning our pet costs us about 25% of our mp and swiftcast has a minute cooldown. Try Again. I don't recall any other dps class having to sacrifice 25% of their tp/mp to do full damage.

[Levy9]

"A well-known hardcore Japanese FFXIV raider has compiled a list of DPS averages after testing with his raid teammates."

1. Samurai (ilvl 312) - 4616 DPS
2. Summoner (ilvl 314) - 4418 DPS
3. Black mage (ilvl 314) - 4414 DPS
4. Red Mage (ilvl 314) - 4285 DPS
5. Ninja (ilvl 314) - 4240 DPS
6. Monk (ilvl 314) - 4235 DPS
7. Dragoon (ilvl 314) - 4020 DPS
8. Bard (ilvl 314) - 3816 DPS
9 Machinist (ilvl 314) - 3688 DPS

http://www.gamerevolution.com/guides...a4GbOmc6hCk.99

[Fyce]

Except that re-summoning our pet costs us about 25% of our mp and swiftcast has a minute cooldown. Try Again. I don't recall any other dps class having to sacrifice 25% of their tp/mp to do full damage.

Except that Sustain never saved a pet getting instakilled from a boss cleave or very powerful DoT.
Besides, you'll actually die more frequently than your pet does under your control while doing some duties.

Another thing, a SMN currently has ~13300 mana. A pet summon cost 2400. It's less than 20%. 18% to be precise. Not your grossly over-estimated 25%.

So no, I don't mind spending 18% of my mana once in a blue moon because I forgot to take my pet back before a cleave.
Stop acting like your pet dies every 2 minutes. It doesn't.

[curather]

People are complaining about not having sustain because many summoners used it to solo better with the titan-egi.

[Fyce]

People are complaining about not having sustain because many summoners used it to solo better with the titan-egi.

I know, and I'm not debating on this. I think that Titan+Sustain was completly OP, so the nerf doesn't bother me that much. Besides, I did all my leveling with Titan-egi just fine.

Whatever the case, saying that you need a dedicated healer to keep your pet alive to it can DPS is a ridiculous argument to use to show that "SMN has been over-nerfed!"... Especially since current parses put it at the second best DPS, on par with BLM.

[Keyln]

It seems to me that this thread is nothing more than useless whining about changes done to Summoner...

[curather]

titan-egi isn't worth it if you can't heal it, better to go ifrit-egi or garuda-egi as the threat it generates is way down and can't hold agro very well anymore.

[Ralts]

It seems to me that this thread is nothing more than useless whining about changes done to Summoner...

It is. OP goes from one topic to another when shown facts: like from low damage then jumping to the class losing the ability sustain lol

[Ariomi]

I know, and I'm not debating on this. I think that Titan+Sustain was completly OP, so the nerf doesn't bother me that much. Besides, I did all my leveling with Titan-egi just fine.

And how is titan Op when every other class can solo just fine? Titan is nothing more then a tremendous dps loss when ifrit/garuda can increase the damage dealt to enemies. You ever see titan used in a raid? Not even worth it in solo play.

Except that Sustain never saved a pet getting instakilled from a boss cleave or very powerful DoT.

So no, I don't mind spending 18% of my mana once in a blue moon because I forgot to take my pet back before a cleave.
Stop acting like your pet dies every 2 minutes. It doesn't.

A large amount of people would disagree with you.

Sustain would be enough to save my pet in 90% of the situations it is in as it dies to raid wide aoes. Also you have no clue what you are talking about. Take a look at machinist. Their turrets can die and they have no way to heal them. So when a Machinist summons a turret, it is instant cast, costs no tp/mp and has a 10 second cooldown. 18% mana and using a summoner cooldown to get back a large portion of your dps is not ok. 18% of you mana is two minutes worth of aetherflow.