DPS classes numbers and ranking posted on reddit

[RichardButte]

Why shouldnt SMN and RDM be that high?
They arent support type roles like BRD/MCH...unless you count raise and a single heal.

BRD is a support role, yes, but MCH is near pure DPS. The only buffs they bring are the same ones BRD has as role actions, but none of the other awesome buffs BRD offers.

[Shortie]

BRD is a support role, yes, but MCH is near pure DPS. The only buffs they bring are the same ones BRD has as role actions, but none of the other awesome buffs BRD offers.

I disagree with this comment.
MCH is still a support role. They still provide TP/MP regen, Damage buff, and a very powerful debuff (dismantle).

I will agree that MCH falls behind a bard in terms of support due to bard songs. But this certainly doesnt make a MCH pure DPS. I also think they need a DPS boost, but for some reason, MCH have been really hard for SE to balance. They either suck, or are godly. This usually happens to %based classes. Like monks they tried to impliment a +%boost to their abilities. Which means MCH will scale better as gear progresses. But we shall see.

[RichardButte]

MCH is still a support role. They still provide TP/MP regen, Damage buff, and a very powerful debuff (dismantle).

Not sure where you're getting this from...

Compare the role actions of MCH and BRD:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/bard/

They're identical.

Dismantle lowers a target's damage done by 10% for a whopping 5 seconds. As for a damage buff, I'm not sure what you mean. Hotshot only increases the damage done by the MCH, not the damage taken by the target.

So yeah, the only thing MCH has over BRD is dismantle, as far as I can tell.

[KaiSunstrider]

Not sure where you're getting this from...

Compare the role actions of MCH and BRD:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/machinist/
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/bard/

They're identical.

Dismantle lowers a target's damage done by 10% for a whopping 5 seconds. As for a damage buff, I'm not sure what you mean. Hotshot only increases the damage done by the MCH, not the damage taken by the target.

So yeah, the only thing MCH has over BRD is dismantle, as far as I can tell.

MCH gets a 5% vuln debuff that goes on boss the raid benifits from hypercharge. It may be stronger than Foe req considering how fast our mp drains atm.

[Ephier]

MCH gets a 5% vuln debuff that goes on boss the raid benifits from hypercharge. It may be stronger than Foe req considering how fast our mp drains atm.

Like BRD don't buff Crit 2% for the entire duration of the fight. also 15% more Direct hit, on top of foes being up for 21s every 150s. Along with other defensive utility options and more damage? Naw. BRD has 0 defense for why MCH is so weak.

[KaiSunstrider]

Like BRD don't buff Crit 2% for the entire duration of the fight. also 15% more Direct hit, on top of foes being up for 21s every 150s. Along with other defensive utility options and more damage? Naw. BRD has 0 defense for why MCH is so weak.

I wasn't arguing against how strong BRD utility was vs. MCH. The OP just said he didnt know of any party at all that MCH had access to. MCH 100% need a buff.

[Neela]

BRD has 0 defense for why MCH is so weak.

Brd does not rely on technology ;p

[RichardButte]

MCH gets a 5% vuln debuff that goes on boss the raid benifits from hypercharge. It may be stronger than Foe req considering how fast our mp drains atm.

Ah, okay. I see that now: it was under the "hypercharge effect" descriptor for the Bishop.

5% for 10 seconds just doesn't hold a candle to what BRDs can lay down, though...

MCH also has an extremely punishing rotation where you're going to be losing a massive chunk of your DPS if you screw up and overheat by accident. Not sure how BRD's rotation is, though.

[Arkenne]

5% for 10 seconds

The debuff is applied each time the turret hits, if applied on a single target with the rook it can last about 30 seconds actually.

[Sunako]

Ah, okay. I see that now: it was under the "hypercharge effect" descriptor for the Bishop.

5% for 10 seconds just doesn't hold a candle to what BRDs can lay down, though...

MCH also has an extremely punishing rotation where you're going to be losing a massive chunk of your DPS if you screw up and overheat by accident. Not sure how BRD's rotation is, though.

Turret also have 10 sec duration and 10 sec cd so you can keep it up every time it fall of and hypercharge have 20 sec duration so you have 5% for 20 seconds.

Edit: I guess it was 30 sec like other person mentioned.