Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[NaesakiAshwell]

I'm trying to feel the way you do but I have a feeling I might unsub. I'm trying really hard to get down a decent rotation but nothing feels right. I feel like I am just clicking around. SMN to me was easy and really the only job I was interested in. Going to try RDM and SAM but I don't think I will be sticking with SMN.

I am starting to get the hang of the new rotation to avoid being harshly punished by the aetherflow.

I've run into groups who won't run with smn cause their dps is too low.
Classes like Bard dragoon and Samurai can outdps summoners by 600 dps

Have they even updated ACT yet to account for the dots and the like? Because last I saw they hadn't and everyone is all having their knee jerk reactions.

[Priya]

I've run into groups who won't run with smn cause their dps is too low.
Classes like Bard dragoon and Samurai can outdps summoners by 600 dps

How long ago were you with these groups? ACT has only been up to date for about a day. Even the beta plug in they put out over the weekend wasn't correct.

[Silverquick]

Have they even updated ACT yet to account for the dots and the like? Because last I saw they hadn't and everyone is all having their knee jerk reactions.

Even if they were.... the ACT plugin would be going by the old DoTs which were much stronger than they are now post nerf. So it would overstate their current damage.

[Silverquick]

I've run into groups who won't run with smn cause their dps is too low.
Classes like Bard dragoon and Samurai can outdps summoners by 600 dps

I will actually back you on this because I'd heard the same from other people I knew were logging. (Except for the refusing to run with them part)

That said... the Utility was just updated so we'll have to see.

[Iromi]

Without sustain my pet just keeps dying over and over. I've stuck with this job since 2.0 release but if they do not tweak it, I will be forced to finally drop it. There is no way I am going to stick with a job that frustrates me this badly. Make one mistake and you are punished big time now with these changes. Makes me really sad to see what they did to my favorite class since 2.0.

[Ariomi]

I will actually back you on this because I'd heard the same from other people I knew were logging. (Except for the refusing to run with them part)

That said... the Utility was just updated so we'll have to see.

While I really like contagion/radiant shield being raid wide dps increases... Contagion needs a little work imo. I would like if Radiant was atleast 3% increase to match like foe req... but it does potency... so I'm ok with it. Contagion doesn't last long enough and it's infuriating with how long Garuda takes to cast it sometimes.

Contagion should last as long as dreadwyrm trance, but I would kill for it to last 20 seconds. (If you try to contagion before you summon Bahamut, you will rarely be able to fit both ahk morns inside the window.)

[YitharV2]

It seems like SE didn't like the way SMNs were playing the job.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...3ma/?context=3

It honestly reminds me of this.

It's well worth remembering that Yoshi P has defended the original 2.0 warrior by saying that perhaps the players weren't playing the class the way it was intended to be™. Damn straight, the way players played warrior in 2.0 was to equip the paladin soulstone instead.

[Ariomi]

It seems like SE didn't like the way SMNs were playing the job.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...3ma/?context=3

It honestly reminds me of this.

It was the only way to play the class though. If you wanted to be in the 500 dps range of the nearest machinist you had the same principle of wildfire with dreadwyrm trance. Do as much damage in dreadwyrm as humanly possible...

If players are playing a class one way... and enjoying it... why ruin it? What's wrong with a class having decent dps numbers?

[YitharV2]

It was the only way to play the class though. If you wanted to be in the 500 dps range of the nearest machinist you had the same principle of wildfire with dreadwyrm trance. Do as much damage in dreadwyrm as humanly possible...

If players are playing a class one way... and enjoying it... why ruin it? What's wrong with a class having decent dps numbers?

I agree with you. I feel the same way about Warrior to be honest. I'm actually wondering who's in charge of balance at SE, considering Yoshi-P had to fight to keep Protect.

[Silverquick]

It seems like SE didn't like the way SMNs were playing the job.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...3ma/?context=3

It honestly reminds me of this.

I totally saw that coming... If you expand the thread you can see how many people are leaving Summoner.

And I'm noticing fewer and fewer on the server.