Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ariomi]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...26599/?page=22

Dps ranking and the guy did more dps than required from sss. Summoner is currently stronger than blm.

You link doesn't work and I'm hard pressed to see how blm is weaker then smn.

[MortalWare]

I just wanted to re-iterate that I don't give a damn about my DPS compared to other classes. Nerf my DPS into the floor if they want, just give me my strong pets back.

[remiff]

The Summoner lost the haste bonus when the pet doe a crit .
Loses sustain,
Loses 50 pot on ruin 3,
Loses etherflow stack in deadwyrm transe
Loses dot potency
Loses spur.
And devotion is really bad,
But i like play summoner .

[Ariomi]

Funniest part of Summoner to me is that Bard has stronger Dots then summoner does.

Summoner... the pet and dot class now has weaker dots then bard...

Miasma 3 - 450 potency Bio 3 400 Potency vs Bard's Caustic Bite 570 Potency Storm Bite 670 Potency

Miasma and Bio 3 together are 80 potency per tick vs Bard's 100 potency per tick

[Alleo]

Even if we have the DPS of the other jobs at the end (and I am not sure if a parser on a dummy for a small amount of minutes is that good) it does not change my opinion, that the job itself got really boring since we now spam even more ruin. Yes we have Bahamut but he is not there all the time and also not there if you do anything below 70.

I just did the second dungeon and felt utterly bad with a group of monster. As soon as you take care of your Dots its mostly Ruin spam and a really short time in trance..where you will spam Ruin 3 too..and I always scream a little on the inside when a tank moves the monsters out of my shadowflare and I just feel so useless with more than one monster..At least before SB I could run into them and use some AOEs..

At the same time summoner seems to be quite punishing since SB. If you die or mis-click your stacks you will lose lots of DPS. Is there any other job that is punished that much?

And I get the feeling like SE does not really know which path the job should go. Why take a away sustain and the other pet skill if we should me more of a pet job? Why take away so much of your Dots if we should be more of a DoT job? It feels like I am neither of it right now..

The hardest hit for me is still the loss of sustain...I used it all the time, even in dungeons since it could always happen that the egi is hit or even killed. Being able to heal them was a nice way to save MP and if you do something solo and Titan dies its really hard for him to gain aggro again. Well its sometimes even hard for him to hold aggro at all. Poor Titan, he was already a solo play only pet..now its often just better to summon the other two to kill the enemy faster.

[NaesakiAshwell]

I still love being a Summoner so I'm going to stick by the job until the end, though still not happy with the loss of sustain and a few other aspects that are biting me constantly.

I love the storyline, history and lore behind it and its always been a job in the franchise thats been close to me so I won't quit on it.

[Priya]

Number wise, SMN is fine right now. We\'ll see what the balance patch does.

Gameplay wise, SMN is absolutely clunky and incredibly punishing. Numbers will change, but that means nothing if the class is awful to play.

[Ferrasper]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...26599/?page=22

Dps ranking and the guy did more dps than required from sss. Summoner is currently stronger than blm.

It is only a 4 dps difference. That's negligible.

[Heart-of-Asia]

I still love being a Summoner so I'm going to stick by the job until the end, though still not happy with the loss of sustain and a few other aspects that are biting me constantly.

I love the storyline, history and lore behind it and its always been a job in the franchise thats been close to me so I won't quit on it.

I'm trying to feel the way you do but I have a feeling I might unsub. I'm trying really hard to get down a decent rotation but nothing feels right. I feel like I am just clicking around. SMN to me was easy and really the only job I was interested in. Going to try RDM and SAM but I don't think I will be sticking with SMN.

[Ariomi]

Number wise, SMN is fine right now. We\'ll see what the balance patch does.

Gameplay wise, SMN is absolutely clunky and incredibly punishing. Numbers will change, but that means nothing if the class is awful to play.

I've run into groups who won't run with smn cause their dps is too low.
Classes like Bard dragoon and Samurai can outdps summoners by 600 dps