I've run into groups who won't run with smn cause their dps is too low.
Classes like Bard dragoon and Samurai can outdps summoners by 600 dps
I will actually back you on this because I'd heard the same from other people I knew were logging. (Except for the refusing to run with them part)
That said... the Utility was just updated so we'll have to see.
While I really like contagion/radiant shield being raid wide dps increases... Contagion needs a little work imo. I would like if Radiant was atleast 3% increase to match like foe req... but it does potency... so I'm ok with it. Contagion doesn't last long enough and it's infuriating with how long Garuda takes to cast it sometimes.
Contagion should last as long as dreadwyrm trance, but I would kill for it to last 20 seconds. (If you try to contagion before you summon Bahamut, you will rarely be able to fit both ahk morns inside the window.)
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Where have you seen bards hitting as hard as samurai? SMN can in fact outdps bards by 500 or 600 dps, BRD keeps the spot because it gives around 600 DPS to a full raid with all of its buffs, and also, because it solves all the "I'm out of mana" SMN QQ.
Last edited by Exterium; 06-23-2017 at 05:00 AM.
No class hits as hard as samurai, although I have been made well aware of bards being able to hit for 25k. Bard's dots also outperform Summoner's. Look at Caustic Bite and Stormbite. 5 and 15 potency per tick higher then both of summoner's dots but bard's get 120 potency on the application.??????????????????????????
Where have you seen bards hitting as hard as samurai? SMN can in fact outdps bards by 500 or 600 dps, BRD keeps the spot because it gives around 600 DPS to a full raid with all of its buffs, and also, because it solves all the "I'm out of mana" SMN QQ.
You "may" hit for 25k if all planets line up and you get a direct hit crit barraged refulgent arrow while under Raging Strikes, that may not happen ever in a 2 hour raid, in fact, I've only seen this ONCE in all my SB bard playtime.No class hits as hard as samurai, although I have been made well aware of bards being able to hit for 25k. Bard's dots also outperform Summoner's. Look at Caustic Bite and Stormbite. 5 and 15 potency per tick higher then both of summoner's dots but bard's get 120 potency on the application.
You never reapply your dots, they get refreshed with a 100 potency weaponskill.
I don't talk about what I think, I talk about the data we have at this point, and SMN, besides what this forum seems to think, hits way harder than BRD, at the same lvl as a BLM and harder than a RDM.
EDIT: You seem to be forgetting your third dot, you, and every summoner, your pet is essentially a 110 potency dot with utility.
Last edited by Exterium; 06-23-2017 at 05:38 AM.
And as far as I've seen, this just isn't true. I've been in parties, I've seen people's dps. I have been in. Nothing Summoner has can hit for 25k and I did stone sky sea over and over and over until I got an ahk morn direct hit crit under the effect of contagion that boosts it's damage. I also tweaked my smn rotation right around 30 times and yet when I encounter a bard, they do massively more dps.
Smn and Bard dots work almost identical, except they are reversed. Bard hard casts dots then keeps them up. Summoner doesn't have to hard cast their dots until they run out three times. The difference? Bard get's 120 potency when they first cast them on both dots, then 100 potency when they need to refresh them. Summoner's dot's don't get any potency added when we refresh them unless we hard cast Miasma 3.
This is like talking to a wall...
It doesn't matter how big the number is, it doesn't matter AT ALL, what matters is the overall DPS, judging damage by "big dick hits" is just plain stupid.
How are BRD dots better than SMN dots? you have a pet that does the same a dot does, and adds 15 secs of magic vulnerability every minute, and it is a 110 potency dot, one hundred and ten, your pet alone is doing more dps than both BRD dots to a boss.
I could say the same thing to you. But you have no idea what you are talking about.
And I've looked at overall dps. A bard's dots have no cast time. Miasma 3 has a cast time. Bard's dots have more potency overall 570 + 670 compared to Summoner's 400 and 450. Your dot's tick harder (100 potency vs Summoner's 80). Bard's dots are so strong they still outdamage Summoner's dots if I use shadow flare.
Summoner's strongest spammable spell is Ruin 3. It is 150 potency and we can cast it 9 times before we run out of mana. It is the same potency as Heavy shot. How many times can you use heavy shot before you are out of tp? (Just making a point. I'm well aware of how dreadwyrm works.)
Oh and Refulgent Arrow and Ruin 4 work almost the exact same way except Summoner's get a 15% chance to use ruin 4 which does 200 potency while bard gets a 20% chance to do 300 potency.
With Barrage and Emp arrow you get 690 potency attack every 90 seconds that can crit for all three strikes. You can use this immediately at the start of a fight. Summoner can't even use ahk morn's 680 potency until we have built up all the aetherflow (takes two minutes)
Pitch perfect even does more damage then death flare does at 3 stacks. Pitch perfect 420 potency vs Deathflare's 400. Bard arguably even beats summoner's Aoe attacks as Summoner has no spammable Aoe move. Every Aoe Summoner has is either on a minute cooldown (Shadowflare, Aetherflow, Radiant Shield Technically since it can hit more then one add) Two Minute cooldown (Ahk morn) or three minute cooldown* (Enkindle). So tell me again... How does a bard with no cast times, stronger dots, higher mobility and stronger attacks not outdps summoner in almost every way?
Last edited by Ariomi; 06-23-2017 at 08:27 PM.
As I'd said,
You are not the only one who is seeing this. I am seeing it from other quarters as well. And obviously from the thread linked on the last page... its not just a couple of people noticing the fall off.
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