4.0 Warrior Feedback

[ZaqueXIII]

I have zero issues with new WAR and love how much simpler it is to play now.

First of all id like to say thank you for speaking for what I can only see as the vocal minority thus far, surprisingly few people have been making posts that only celebrate the new changes so a breath of fresh air is nice.


Now, all pleasantries aside I feel it is important to note that when news was coming out before official announcements came out the message seemed to be, raise the floor not lower the ceiling. It seems that many of the changes to existing jobs were made in the opposite regard, All healers now have only about 3 offense oriented moves which most of the time they are restricted to a single button. Tanks have been streamlined so that more of their game play revolves around constant mitigation as opposed to clever use of combo's and cool downs to be used appropriately. I have avoided pre Storm Blood DPS like the plague only because I haven't had the time to look deeper into changes and see how I have to change my play style. That said it is undeniable that as far as I can tell, DPS among tanks and healers has gone up. Normally this wouldn't be a problem and would suggest that what they did was successful, However, As far as I have seen what appears to have been done is a clever trick of making the floor appear raised by lowering the skill ceiling. Jobs are easier than ever to play at end game now as they have lost a lot of their risk vs. reward elements and been replaced with more consistent and slightly higher potency moves. While nothing is inherently wrong with this from a design stand point it does have a significant game play impact. Essentially When i'm playing an MMO i expect multiple options of actions when I go into a fight. With stormblood's changes however it has made combat feel like i'm playing a 4 button dungeon crawl.

TLDR; What we needed from stormblood to raise the floor was more outlining of important actions and removal of useless ones, what we got was Removal of risky actions that rewarded clever players in favor of less challenging jobs.

Fun is subjective and FFXIV was more fun when fell cleaves came with the possibility of getting crit more and the payout of pacification rather than dime a dozen "well my bar is full I guess, here's 3-6".

[Apevest]

I have mixed feeling about the Warrior change. One of the things I really like was the maim/storms eye switch. In my rotation I only have to go the storms eye route when I need the buff and the rest can be storms path to generate BG. One of the biggest problems I have is with the stance dancing penalty. With stance switching now costing half our BG, this can put a big hit on available skills. Since our skills are tied to which stance we are in, without stance switching, warriors lose out on some of their abilities. This kinda cuts the legs out of Warrior a bit in my opinion. It kinda feel like 2.0 were the healing effect was tied to the wrath stacks instead of defiance itself. I don't want to switch stances because I loose BG if I do. I think the cost should either be removed or we should be giving an ability that lets us switch stances without loosing BG.

[Apevest]

The other issue I had was with self healing and sustainability. One of my biggest issues with the removal of blood bath (and to a degree mercy stroke + second wind from monk pre-4.0) is that in deliverance, warrior have no way to heal themselves. To me that was part of the fun of warrior. And even in defiance we only have equilibrium. Other than those two issue, I have been enjoying warrior in 4.0

[Argyle_Darkheart]

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The skill ceiling for Stormblood WAR was raised, not lowered.

[ZaqueXIII]

The skill ceiling for Stormblood WAR was raised, not lowered.

If you could elaborate that would be great because right now it seems like it was lowered to me. I'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying that I cant see a point you aren't showing me...

[YitharV2]

If you could elaborate that would be great because right now it seems like it was lowered to me. I'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying that I cant see a point you aren't showing me...

It's because the rotation is much tighter now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...t_now/dj56n5v/

The floor might have been lowered, but the ceiling was definitely raised.

[CommanderNarwhal]

The new changes to warrior that came with stormblood have effectively ruined the class for me. The high impact feeling and situational utility have both been killed along with its viability. The changes to tanking as a role aswell have been exclusively negative and have forced me out of the class I loved. Unless this whole mess is fixed by raid release, I will probably stop playing the game.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

If you could elaborate that would be great because right now it seems like it was lowered to me. I'm not saying your wrong i'm just saying that I cant see a point you aren't showing me...

Certainly. The rotation has become more complicated, there are more gauge spenders (one with dubious usage), there's now an offensive use for Thrill of Battle, there's a much higher opportunity cost for stance switching, and there's a MUCH higher opportunity cost for Unchained.

[Marxam]

If there is one other thing they need to to change other than the obvious one of removing stance penalty, is that they need to make all combo finishers give 20 gauge respectively. WAR got a soft nerf to dmg because now we spend most of our time spamming SP for extra gauge. I'm still mixed on the 6 FC and Unleash rotation for WAR as I've direct crit the the boss in the lvl 70 job quest for over 24k which floored me but I do agree that it becomes rather banal at times. Yes he had vulnerability up but still to see that dmg on a tank is something to behold. Will we see that in practice? I doubt it as Direct Hit is only attainable via melding.

In short things that need to change for WAR:

1. Remove gauge penalty. (we already have to wait 10 secs to switch)
2. All combo finishers give 20 gauge. (you will most likely see more usage of Onslaught if this happens)

[Baci]

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