Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Tonkra]

Your point is invalid due to the fact Dark Knight is a tank in ffxiv and not a scythe wielding dps. What happens in old games doesn't necessarily apply to this one.

Thats one thing that Yoshida "fucked up" at this point.

Still the Dark Knight has his abillities which you expect him to have (more or less..) .. and still Dark Knight isnt able to become a healing paladin either. But thats what you are asking for. Well why dont we let all DDs have heal then? RDM has heal for reasons, he ever had access to all professions but not being perfect in any of these, still he has the dd role but i doubt that he comes close to the damage of a BLM.. and thats why to sub-heal may be a unique point why you still would get a rdm in... the reason to get a SMN into a party shouldnt be because he is able to heal in my opinion.

Ask for a decent pet heal instead of asking to heal party members since it even doesnt fit your role or job class in this game here either.

Not one for paying attention in class, are you? It's really simple. No ability to heal pet means pet dies faster.

WHY DONT YOU GET THIS?

ASK SE to get PET HEAL back... instead of having physick and that should be totally fine!

As already pointed out to you, virtually every summoner (like, ever) had heals in the FF canon.

As i already said before.

FFVII - FFX , FFXIII, FFXV. All had no job system!! EVERY CHARACTER was supposed to to everything! It was about characters and not jobs !!

The FF Online titles make use of the classic job systems of classic FF titles like FFIII and the tactics titles.

In FFXI (the only other MMO), white mage was pretty much a standard support job

THE SUBJOB!!! Summoner in FFXI couldnt heal at all except carbuncle with "healing ruby"

Why is it fine for Red Mage (a DPS) to have a heal but not Summoner?

That already i have written before.

Red mage as a FF job class always had access to every profession of magic (Black magic , white magic) and so also the access to cure. Though he cant do any of these in perfection. Same for the RDM in FFXIV, he wont do as much burst damage as a BLM but has the abillity to sub-heal (weakly) in emergency situations.
As for the SMN traditional job class it never had access to real except via its summons.

And no in FFXI as i said the summoner couldnt heal either.
And now granting all DD's heal.. would destroy the unique thing about RDM in FFXIV, too.

[Ilenya]

Ask for a decent pet heal instead of asking to heal party members since it even doesnt fit your role in this game here either.

You know, I could be wrong...But that is what people want, isn't it? Even a trait to physick that has it heal bonus amount to pets would help.

[Ariomi]

Eh, maybe they could just slot-in a new trait for SMNs somewhere that affects Physic in a way where the potency of the heal increases only for their own egi. Could even base it off of a percentage the egi's max HP.

Seems like an easy enough fix to me. SMN's still can't reliably heal themselves or party members, they can reliably sustain their pet without a new action and Physic is no longer useless to SMNs.

Sorry if that idea was previously mentioned- don't follow the discussion on this topic much.

And if Red mages get a heal and summoner's dont, it's just another area where Red mages far excel summoners.
Red mages currently outclass Summoners in every way. Mobility? Utility? Dps?

Summoner already has physic, why can't it be useful? It would be no different then giving Summoner second wind on themselves and their pet and a little more reason to keep one around.

[Synrin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my take on it, if you are still discussing Sustain (SMN pet heal) and not just finding flaws in each other's logic, is that now healers will have the responsibility to keep pets and such up. For example your fellow healer could keep an eye on your fairy too, while you also keep an eye on both your fairy and SMN's pet. That sort of dynamic doesn't seem far-fetched.

[Texa]

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Ah yes final fantasy tactics summoner! With a skill list that included

[Caduagm]

And since when FFIX and FFX are used to have a classic FF Job system? Its more about characters than job classes.
In FFVII - FFIX everyone was able to summon, to cast spells like thunder etc.
The Job system of Final Fantasy online titles rely on the CLASSIC job system of the old FF titles / FF tactics titles still have!! Just because it fits the online genre pretty well.

FFX characters may have charactaristics of jobs (lulu may be somewhat of black mage, though waka was a "blitzballer" which is no classic FF job at all well..) .. and in FFVII- FFIX there was nothing like job classes, everyone could cast "BLM" spells and had the abillity to summon... but there is no FF job system behind that. Same for FFIX, FFVII, FFIX, FFXIII, FFXV etc.

The FF job system lies in the classic FF and tactics titles

Oh my God, man. Shut up. We are here to talk about summoner problems... can you stop being toxic and post something useful?

[Ilenya]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my take on it, if you are still discussing Sustain (SMN pet heal) and not just finding flaws in each other's logic, is that now healers will have the responsibility to keep pets and such up. For example your fellow healer could keep an eye on your fairy too, while you also keep an eye on both your fairy and SMN's pet. That sort of dynamic doesn't seem far-fetched.

I mean, I am more than willing to try, but at the same time if I happen to be in a party with 4+ SMN/SCH I am going to have a massive amount of UI bloat from all the healthbars I'd have to track.

[Jandor]

Have Physick scale off INT for SMN please, if that's impossible because it's shared then invent Physick 2 as a SCH ability that auto replaces Physick at level 15 and scales with MND.

[Tonkra]

Ah yes final fantasy tactics summoner! With a skill list that included

As i said the summoner is able to heal through his pets.. yes..

You arent connected to the FF franchise do you? E.g. Carbuncle > healing ruby

Oh my God, man. Shut up. We are here to talk about summoner problems... can you stop being toxic and post something useful?

Something usefull i said:

get back pet heal cut out physick. If you grant SMN a proper heal we could grant every dd a heal.. because "we want it".

this is the only "unique selling point" of rdm atm.

[MortalWare]

They main thing I hate is how squishy the pets are now. Titan egi can't even go one on one with a mob their own level now and survive on their own.

My Garuda died to the first boss aoe in the new Stormblood dungeon.. I debated if it was even worth spending time recasting it.

Summoner is a pet class.. let me have awesome pets.

I don't care if my character does ZERO damage via spells as long as I have badass pets doing all the work.

I honestly think it may be time to return to my Hunter Beastmaster in WoW cause I really miss having useful pets.