Summoner Over-Nered (and A few other Problems)

[Ilenya]

Are you damn kidding? A FF summoner isnt supposed to even have heal... Nor does this improve his dd role in any way. If the summoner should be able to heal then through a pet (e.g. carbuncle > "healing ruby") and nothing else.

I love this FF summoner argument, mostly because it's so random. Of the actual true summoners in the main FF games, Three were pure SMN damage ((FFIII and FFV, ignoring the job cross-class system, FFXI, which did everything through the SMN), one had extra damage skills (Rydia) and 2-3 had healing skills (Yuna and Garnet, Eiko technically).

So tell me, where is it forced to not allow a heal?

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Their MP regen got hit pretty hard and SE took a freaking bat to their aoe dps.

Twas no bat...

Twas a sledgehammer!

[Tonkra]

I love this FF summoner argument, mostly because it's so random. Of the actual true summoners in the main FF games, Three were pure SMN damage ((FFIII and FFV, ignoring the job cross-class system, FFXI, which did everything through the SMN), one had extra damage skills (Rydia) and 2-3 had healing skills (Yuna and Garnet, Eiko technically).

So tell me, where is it forced to not allow a heal?

Oh really, and if you are talking about FFX, FFVIII, FFIX etc. these all had no fixed FF job roles.


And as we are talking about FFXIV it has fixed roles - dps, heal and tank.

And since she/he is talking about the smn being nerfed in damage how would the abbillity to have a decent single heal improve anything?

Also having summoner use a healing pet, would turn them into another class called scholar....

Not if "healing ruby" from carbuncle is a huge group heal with a re-use timer ...which you would use in emergency situations. not like the endless heal spam of a fairy..

Would Improve the current role significantly giving me away to heal my pet again.

then why you dont ask for a decent pet heal and to get rid of the useless physic heal instead maybe? which is just a relic of the cross class system from SCH..

[Ariomi]

And since she/he is talking about the smn being nerfed in damage how would the abbillity to have a decent single heal improve anything?

Simple. Our pet no longer dies. Meaning we don't have to waste a swiftcast and 25% of our mp to re-summon our pet that is 25% of our damage.

then why you dont ask for a decent pet heal and to get rid of the useless physic heal instead maybe? which is just a relic of the cross class system from SCH..

Are you aware that Stormblood removed a decent pet heal? It was called sustain and it no longer exists. Physic is a healing spell that is learned on the basic class of arcanist. It is currently a useless spell on smn(Thought stormblood was trying to get rid of useless spells..)
Good way not to make it useless though? Make it actually good healing spell on summoner that I can use on my pet or party members.

[Tonkra]

Are you aware that Stormblood removed a decent pet heal? It was called sustain and it no longer exists.

And thats why i was writing: "why dont you ask them for a decent pet heal" I am aware of that, that the pet heal over time was removed.. just ask them to put it back again, and to remove the useless ACN/SCH physic heal spell instead.
This would fit SMN fmuch better than being able to heal group members. That he has even heal in this game is because of the shitty relic of SCH / SMN sharing the base class.

You are saying that RDM is able to heal party members too.. WELL RDM in its classic FF job role always was able to heal since the red mage uses blm and whm spells.. and performing a light support role. and now you come along to ask for a party member heal to become actually better instead of asking for getting back the abillity to heal the pet which would be more appropiate to the SMN job. Do you know what i mean by that?

A damage dealer role having heal should stay the only exception for Red mage...
this may be the "unique" thing why you would take a RDM with you, because he doesnt deal high damage but always fullfilled a light support role back in FF history. He always could perform a little bit of all professions but none of them perfect. Thats why he has heal..

And a SMN has orignially nothing to do with heal. And im not talking about FFVII > FFX / FFXIII / FFXV which had no classic FF job system at all.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

Simple. Our pet no longer dies. Meaning we don't have to waste a swiftcast and 25% of our mp to re-summon our pet that is 25% of our damage.

....

Well, that can't work because in solo play, you can't have the tank pet be invulnerable...

And with no way to heal it...
We're left with our current problem.

[Lemuria]

And since she/he is talking about the smn being nerfed in damage how would the abillity to have a decent single heal improve anything?

Not one for paying attention in class, are you? It's really simple. No ability to heal pet means pet dies faster. Giving Summoner's a usable Physick spell means they can at least do that much. It's not meant to be a replacement for traditional cures (not nearly enough potency for that, even if our best stat was used), just help out where needed.

As already pointed out to you, virtually every summoner (like, ever) had heals in the FF canon. In FFXI (the only other MMO), white mage was pretty much a standard support job until Scholar came along and gave them even more curing potential. You've already lost this argument from the start in either case. Why is it fine for Red Mage (a DPS) to have a heal but not Summoner?

[Ilenya]

Oh really, and if you are talking about FFX, FFVIII, FFIX etc. these all had no fixed FF job roles.

I was not aware I mentioned FFVIII, or that Tidus could summon, or that FFIX didn't follow the job system to a point. I mean, here I thought Yuna was the only one who could summon, same with Eiko and Garnet.

Not one for paying attention in class, are you? It's really simple. No ability to heal pet means pet dies faster. Giving Summoner's a usable Physick spell means they can at least do that much. It's not meant to be a replacement for traditional cures (not nearly enough potency for that, even if our best stat was used), just help out where needed.

To be fair, if Physick scaled off INT for SMN, it would be the same as for SCH. I'd rather just have sustain back, myself. Or give the pets a faster natural hp regen effect so you don't *have* to heal them, at least as much.

[Ariomi]

Are you damn kidding? A FF summoner isnt supposed to even have heal... Nor does this improve his dd role in any way. If the summoner should be able to heal then through a pet (e.g. carbuncle > "healing ruby") and nothing else.

Would Improve the current role significantly giving me away to heal my pet again. Summoners used to have that ability to heal their pet in this game and have had Physic as a useless ability for some time now. Kill two birds with one stone by making physic not only useful, and give me away to not have to re summon my pet for the third time.

Have you seen Redmage? Their heal is extremely useful utility. Double casting Vercure can be really helpful if a dungeon/instance/raid goes south and somebody needs a heal.

Also having summoner use a healing pet, would turn them into another class called scholar.... Summoners already have the ability to cast physic... why not make it useful?

[Youkulm]

Why can't I keep my pet alive SE? Why in the world would you take Sustain without making Physik stronger? I heal my carbi for 600 when he has 21k HP thats not helping anyone.

Playing summoner makes me so sad now... its almost 70 though so im going to finish it and then switch to another DPS job. Now to find a poor hapless tank or healer to level with.