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Thread: Please buff WHM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Congratulations on encountering content that you and your party don't overgear by 60+ ilvls?


    The general reduction in healer power across the board has me thinking the Devs are trying to nudge healers back in the direction of being actual healers instead of what they ended up as in HW - DPS that occasionally threw a Cure out.
    Had many near wipes on trash leveling my Samurai because the healers went full blown DPS mode and thought that Eos or a Regen was enough to keep the tank alive ...
    THIS on so many levels even Yoshi.P had stated a while back he didnt design WHM's as dps, even in HW raid content the amount of WHM and scholars I carried because they wanted to dps was shockingly stupid. Note to all newbs and scrubs if you want to dps on a healer class roll a caster dps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzle View Post
    THIS on so many levels even Yoshi.P had stated a while back he didnt design WHM's as dps, even in HW raid content the amount of WHM and scholars I carried because they wanted to dps was shockingly stupid. Note to all newbs and scrubs if you want to dps on a healer class roll a caster dps!
    If you are "carrying" your coheal because you saw them in Cleric Stance, You were probably overhealing. If my coheal didn't dps, then by the gods you better be able to solo heal. Not even solo healing if you count regen/embrace/ogcds so don't feel that accomplished. Push and pull. If you can't show your coheal you are going to dps then why should they heal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    If you are "carrying" your coheal because you saw them in Cleric Stance, You were probably overhealing. If my coheal didn't dps, then by the gods you better be able to solo heal. Not even solo healing if you count regen/embrace/ogcds so don't feel that accomplished. Push and pull. If you can't show your coheal you are going to dps then why should they heal?
    Pretty much this. This game isn't built to be difficult enough for a healer to be healing 100% of the time. Even when not overgeared dungeons and trials don't pump out nearly enough consistent damage for a healer to never DPS.
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    Really I just dislike the Lily System. I don't enjoy having to hold 3 Lilies just so I can use Divine Benision, I also hate how Asylum and Assize consume the Lilies as well. I understand I need to adapt but there have been multiple times where I use Assize for the AoE heal or for DPS and I immediately regret doing this because now I don't have a Lily for Benision for an incoming Tank Buster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fufupel View Post
    Really I just dislike the Lily System. I don't enjoy having to hold 3 Lilies just so I can use Divine Benision, I also hate how Asylum and Assize consume the Lilies as well. I understand I need to adapt but there have been multiple times where I use Assize for the AoE heal or for DPS and I immediately regret doing this because now I don't have a Lily for Benision for an incoming Tank Buster.
    You really don't, actually. FFXI has 2 other healers (I hear scholars are unhappy too though) and a 14 other jobs, you can change to a different one for a while while SE scratches their heads and wonders why no one wants to play WHM anymore. Maybe that'll get the message across. I've been leveling RDM and it's amazing playing a job that just feels good, has rewards for following the gauge mechanics, etc. Hell, I even get a cure and a rez. It's a lot of fun. The mechanic for whm is simply not fun. It's unrewarding and none of the spells 63+ are really worth anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Pretty much this. This game isn't built to be difficult enough for a healer to be healing 100% of the time. Even when not overgeared dungeons and trials don't pump out nearly enough consistent damage for a healer to never DPS.
    Whoa! That's not true at all. The gear of a tank greatly determines how much they will need heals. You get an undergeared tank, or one at the minimum requirement and you can expect to heal them the entire time, especially if they pull more than they can chew.

    I found it pretty common actually in PUGs that the more a tank pulls, the less equipped they are to handle it. They don't use CDs and expect the healer to simply keep them alive, and sacrifice all of their potential DPS as a result. Granted, there are always windows that pop up for a healer to DPS, even more so now that stat swapping is gone, but do not rule out the existence of squishy tanks. They are everywhere.
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    The proc rate on our level 70 ability, being 20%, is too rare that I hardly ever see it, making the ability an RNG only ability. This needs to be buffed to 40% or allow medica and medica2 to also proc it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    Whoa! That's not true at all. The gear of a tank greatly determines how much they will need heals. You get an undergeared tank, or one at the minimum requirement and you can expect to heal them the entire time, especially if they pull more than they can chew.

    I found it pretty common actually in PUGs that the more a tank pulls, the less equipped they are to handle it. They don't use CDs and expect the healer to simply keep them alive, and sacrifice all of their potential DPS as a result. Granted, there are always windows that pop up for a healer to DPS, even more so now that stat swapping is gone, but do not rule out the existence of squishy tanks. They are everywhere.
    Really? Especially on WHM you should have ZERO reason not to. You are GUARANTEED 7 seconds of dps uptime EVERY pull. Holy. Aoe stun. Best mitigation in the game. 0 damage taken for 4 seconds. How do I know you have time to dps? Because my husband leveled up whm for this expac. Even with back to back pulls in leveling content, where gear is HQ whites, between holy, tetra, cd reduced benediction, cure II cuz delete cure at this point, DB and allot of swearing he NEVER let a tank die.

    People need to step it up or pull the Yoshi-P healer DPS card.
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    Last edited by Rawrz; 06-21-2017 at 03:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrz View Post
    Really? Especially on WHM you should have ZERO reason not to. You are GUARANTEED 7 seconds of dps uptime EVERY pull. Holy. Aoe stun. Best mitigation in the game. 0 damage taken for 4 seconds. How do I know you have time to dps? Because my husband leveled up whm for this expac. Even with back to back pulls in leveling content, where gear is HQ whites, between holy, tetra, cd reduced benediction, cure II cuz delete cure at this point, DB and allot of swearing he NEVER let a tank die.

    People need to step it up or pull the Yoshi-P healer DPS card.
    Yes, really. SC+Holy and assize are great tools to have in this situation, but they are not always available. If the tank is taking high and/or unpredictable damage, I will not feel safe dpsing. And that is all the reason I need.
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    Healing tips

    As someone who has a lvl 70 WHM let me give my thoughts quick. I have not had any problems healing, some new dungeons can seem more heal intensive but that was mainly because of either my tank or my own gear was not the best it could be for that dungeon. Some people focus too much on the new mechanics based around cure and cure 2. I think of them as extra, don"t hold back on using certain skills because your waiting for them to have a lower cooldown. The time you wait to use that skill is usually greater than the extra time it would have taken to come off of cooldown. Remember to keep your HoTs up 100% of the time, cast your shield ASAP, and remember to use your healing buffs such as largesse.
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