Please buff WHM

[Gemina]

WHM had two issues going into 4.0: MP and utility. They fixed the first without question, but the utility is still missing. Even more so now without Stoneskin. I like that the lily mechanic doesn't negatively impact my gameplay (though it can if you let it). What I don't like about it is I see a great amount of potential the devs can do with it, however it is almost best that you completely ignore it. I believe adjustments will be made to it, and also believe the devs are being careful with it. They could easily make WHM OP if given too much power.

I kinda feel like WHM is knocking on that door. Their basekit is actually pretty freakin awesome; give them that utility and look out.

[VanilleFang]

SCH.

It's really disheartening that SE unapologetically (and seemingly) favoured one healer over the others. They claim that it's all balanced around Level 70... okay, but looking at what we have:



SCH is near useless in dungeons and with the massive MP management disparity I doubt it will see much play in Raids, over even WHM.

WHM has it's own issues but it's mostly around clunky and unintuitive mechanics. Also a lack of utility. I may complain about some of the WHM changes but I do think SCH is basically screwed.

Why did they give AST so much and basically ignore balance between the three classes? Even if you think they balanced the classes individually, just around their own kit, that's complete bs because of the above reasons. AST is a supped up WHM and a SCH on steroids COMBINED.

[Feidam]

Doesn't really matter because AST heals will still be even stronger than that.

Not sure this is correct. The numbers from my equally geared sat/whm do not reflect this. The Ast is close but not stronger. Granted I'm only lvl 60 with those two but the ratio should stay the same. On a heal for heal basis.

[Aniond]

Had no issues with a whm healing me

[Riyshn]

Not sure this is correct. The numbers from my equally geared sat/whm do not reflect this. The Ast is close but not stronger. Granted I'm only lvl 60 with those two but the ratio should stay the same. On a heal for heal basis.

Did you have a sect active when you were testing that? Part of the issue is the passive healing bonus from the sects.

[Cluebilly]

The only healer with an arguably legitimate potency complaint is SCH, who got hit with an Embrace potency nerf on top of the faerie's already poor scaling, benefits from neither flat potency increases nor passive boosts, and as insult upon further injury, spends silly amounts of MP for what used to be its signature mechanic.

I think SE has some idea by now that some of the WHM changes and additions need tweaking, but SCH looks to be the true red-headed stepchild of this patch. I'm officially lobbying for SCH since the feedback on WHM appears at least to have been received.

This actually has me wondering why there isn't a SCH feedback thread like there is for WHM. It'd probably be better at getting attention

[Risvertasashi]

Not sure this is correct. The numbers from my equally geared sat/whm do not reflect this. The Ast is close but not stronger. Granted I'm only lvl 60 with those two but the ratio should stay the same. On a heal for heal basis.

You have to take stance bonuses into account. Diurnal grants a 10% bonus to AST heals. Nocturnal, 15%.

Are you remembering to activate your stances before you compare them? Diurnal is basically half-Largesse with 100% uptime and Noct is even stronger than that.

[MoroMurasaki]

I think if they were to give WHM the same treatment as AST (usable new abilities, a mechanic that worked for healers) as it stands now WHM would be the only choice for healers. I've only done the first new dungeon (I'm progressing with someone and he's had a ton of work lately) but I've also done a bunch of older content which I also did as HW WHM and the potency increases are real. Even without the 10% CS buff I pulled off of tanks while DPSing fairly regularly and the heal potency let me do more damage because my heals per GCD were bringing him back up that much more.

I pretty much ignored lillies but that was okay. I'm all for redoing lily and confession systems but then I think WHM will need a potency nerf or it will just be too OP.

[LegoTechnic]

The WHM problems have NOTHING to do with potency.

I know, but I was responding specifically to the original poster.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Had no issues with a whm healing me

WHM is viable.

At the same time, it's a horrible and unimpressive healer compared to the others, especially AST.

We shouldn't be aiming for viability, we should be aiming for balance.