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  1. #211
    Player
    Jimsvaliant's Avatar
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    Limsa Lominsa
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    James Malice
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    Why nerf huge dungeon pulls? That was the best thing about this class.

    When played right, you could pull to any "gate" in a dungeon. The unbelievers were just bad.
    Honestly, I think this is what they wanted to do away with lol. Any tank could do it. Warriors even did it better. Harder hitting dungeon mobs and a nerf to AoE damage across multiple classes makes me think this was their mindset going in. Why this is remains a mystery to me.
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  2. #212
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Kane Blackstone
    World
    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimsvaliant View Post
    Honestly, I think this is what they wanted to do away with lol. Any tank could do it. Warriors even did it better. Harder hitting dungeon mobs and a nerf to AoE damage across multiple classes makes me think this was their mindset going in. Why this is remains a mystery to me.
    Higher mob damage could accomplish the same thing without gimping our ST MP (Blood Price nerf). Also, higher mob damage (which where I am in Stormblood isn't noticeable yet) will be incredibly punishing to a DPS that misteps. If something hits a tank hard it will wreck a dps.

    It will also make it harder to advance if your tank DCs.

    I disagree about warrior. Dark Knight had better AoE and more mitigation, for those huge pulls DA-DD mixed with DA-DP was insane. If it was 12+ and you got in a jam, DA-AD had incredible HP gains and the Blood Price would cause an MP overflow in that same condition.
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  3. #213
    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Yeah pretty sure BP nerf was to prevent Dark Knight god mode. You could run BP and DA AD for about 20 seconds and at full go DADP + DADD out of Grit for almost a minute of HP sustain and dodge tanking in mass pulls.

    BP nerf IMO makes Abyssal hold little value.
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  4. #214
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Character
    Cassandra Solidor
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by LegolasT View Post
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    This insistence on supposed mastery is just plain silly. You realize every single ability comes down to basic math, yes? I don't need to have them unlocked to know the potencies and how those factor into the overall damage. For a job you claim to know at least decent, you're objectively wrong saying it wasn't nerfed. Dark Passenger is borderline worthless now due to the tripled MP cost, Blood Price being gated behind Grit is a significant loss in MP regeneration and the loss of Reprisal and Low Blow severely dent DRK's damage. Those procs were free damage that are just gone now. People have already put the numbers together and currently DRK looks to be the weakest tank by a fair margin. It has nowhere near the damage PLD does nor the mitigation of either. You don't need to be level 70 with EX clears under your belt to see that.
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  5. #215
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    Reynhart's Avatar
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    Reynhart Kristensen
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Blood Price being gated behind Grit is a significant loss in MP
    That's where math is not enough. Sure, Blood Price has been nerfed. But when it comes to MP management, you can't just focus on Blood Price.

    Currently I'm only level 65, so I won't talk about capped DRK, but with the increased leech on Grit-SS, the MP drain gone from Darkside, and the new Delirium, it's faster to refill your MP than before when facing a single target.
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  6. #216
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    SyzzleSpark's Avatar
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    Pixiline Paradigm
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 66
    Bumping this ancient thread to (maybe) show SE how long we've been yelling at them to fix the problems therein.
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