Scholars what are your thoughts?

[KinnisonArc]

Right now what I can see on SCH:
- They cut off a significant amount of DoT DPS and make most lv50+ SCH skill unchanged (Dissipation especially)
- Excogitation is just an auto-lustrate with 50 potency boost.
- Chain Strategem just a weaker version of DRG Battle Litany.
- Lv70 skills feel like a Manual targeting Embrace from the looks of it.
- I might be nitpicking but they don't even bother to fill that gap where they remove Leeches with anything useful.

I have a mixed feeling with the changes especially the DPS capabilities where SCH excels in as a healer, but we'll see how things go.

[Sebazy]

How long have I been calling this for? =(

The fairy potency nerf kind of surprises me as the level cap increase will do that anyhow (as it did in early HW), SE would have been better off addressing how the fairy scales throughout the course of an expansion.

Oh well =(

[Kethic]

WHM main here, and gotta say, SCH didn't deserve this. I hope the new meta shakes out into something sane, but AST clearly made out the best of the healers.

[jameseoakes]

Well I'm going PLD (SCH and PLD have been my mains in HW), SCH just looks bad and dull to play in anything but boss fights. I'll let other people try the SCH if it is as bad as it looks I guess I'll go AST if I actually play a healer.

Not looking forward to those queue times though, I think they'll get pretty bad in general with people getting put of healers

[Amenako]

Well I'm going PLD (SCH and PLD have been my mains in HW), SCH just looks bad and dull to play in anything but boss fights. I'll let other people try the SCH if it is as bad as it looks I guess I'll go AST if I actually play a healer.

Not looking forward to those queue times though...

wait what?? how are you not looking forward to the que times they will be shorter then dps, im confused on this. tanks and healers usually have shorter que times then dps, especially these first couple of weeks dps gonna have it hard

[jameseoakes]

wait what?? how are you not looking forward to the que times they will be shorter then dps, im confused on this. tanks and healers usually have shorter que times then dps, especially these first couple of weeks dps gonna have it hard

I meant in general, will edit my post.

[Eloah]

Not to mention the new Skills we got are all horrible, with Broil II being the one good skill. Excognition has a timer, so why would we use it for a heal that might never go off, its a waste of an Aetherflow stack. Chain Strategem apparently isn't as strong as we thought it was going to be and the CD is longer. And the Fairy Gauge and its corresponding skil is basically Dissipation 2.0, it might see a bit more usage but lets be honest you're not gonna use it for a majority of the content. The Fairy Gauge might of been cool if you could use it earlier and it had benefits for filling it up. But it's only use is to fill it up to use as a HoT, that takes away the other aspects of the fairy. We are supposed to be Shield Healers, and despite people asking back before 3.0 was released, we have yet to get any new shields. Disappointing just so disappointing.

[Azell]

Worst heals for the highest costs. Worst mp management now. Worst aoe dps. Illumination nerf, embrace nerf. The new skill? 10 yalms.....10.....its like cover, the target must stay within 10yalms............................ -.-
Without lucid dream i was running OOM doing fates, just dpsing the boss, eatherflow on cd, using all stacks on ED and still running oom.
#ripsch is all i can say.

edit: oh i forgot to mention the annoying time difference between miasma and bio, everyone uses a hard cast>instant so we can weave ogcds, so having miasma at 24s and bio2 at 30 makes everything weird, the timings are weird, when you refresh miasma bio still have 8s, so you have to do more broils. Should be like smn, both with 30s....

[Ghishlain]

It's a shame that the SCH nerfs went basically unnoticed to the vast majority of the healer community due to the incessant amount of whining from White Mages. When you look at the kits in a vacuum, SCHs lost the most out of the three healers.


-Passive Healing. Embrace nerf by 50 potency, even when you include the addition of Fey Union, means SCH's overall passive HoT-style healing has gotten worse. Assuming Fey Union ticks on the same time Embrace would, Fey Union is essentially a 230 potency spike on Embrace and counteracts approximately 5 ticks of Embrace nerf in this spike. You essentially get 30 charge per minute and it costs 10 charge per activation. At 20 ticks /minute SCHs essentially have 10 ticks of "normal" Embrace" and 10 ticks of "nerfed" Embrace. This value gets better as you hold onto more gauge but it's clear based on this line:

The Faerie Gauge increases when a faerie is summoned and an Aetherflow action used by you inflicts an effect on a target.

SCH's would need to resummon their fairy to get Embrace back into the baseline it had pre-SB.

-MP issues. Until we see how much Lucid Dreaming restore at 70, it'll be hard to say if the nerf to SCH's MP regeneration is a net loss, gain, or neutral with the change to from 20% MP restore to 10% MP restore. With that being said, SCH still has the highest MP cost per potency in the game. Physick is now behind due to changes in Cure for WHM and Sects for AST, Adlo and Succor have both always been more expensive than their counterparts in the AST and WHM kits. The consolidation of DoTs and the removal of Shadow Flare as a GCD means there are much less filler Potency/MP efficient DoTs SCH can apply during their downtime. This means SCH has to fill these voids with their significantly less efficient Broils if they want to remain active. For reference, SCH lost 3 GCD-type DoTs with the changes. With a lower overall passive healing, SCH will also have to heal more frequently than they have had to in the past. Conversely, if the SCH has to resummon the fairy often to get their fairy gauge up to snuff, that's even more MP to use (as well as Swiftcast).

-AoE damage has gone down just with the radical change to Bane and the removal of Blizzard II.

-Mitigation. Nocturnal AST now provides more consistent and powerful shields at less MP cost with the only saving grace SCH has as a shield healer is in their Deployed Adlo. Non-shield mitigation tools have been shifted to DPS so they'll be more readily available for any healer composition. While SCH still has Sacred Soil and Fey Convenant, Nocturnal provides higher shields overall and if push comes to shove can mitigate even further than SCH with the use of Expanded Bole. Mind you, Deployed Adlo under extremely good circumstances (Critlo, Defiance, Convalescence, Largresse, Fey Illuminate, Mantra, etc.) is obscenely powerful but that shouldn't be the one single trump card SCH brings to the mitigation table now.

WHM didn't lose too much compared to SCH - just the fact they gained a "core mechanic" that is counter-intuitive but WHM's core kit remains well intact otherwise.

[MrSmiley]

Adloq mp cost is hilariously bad triple physic, need a crit to "break even" on the mp