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  1. #61
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    BlackironTarkus's Avatar
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    Jin Karasu
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    On the brightside, i think we all know what the "new dps" in 5.0 is gonna be lol i mean theres only a couple of tanky things left to take off drk at this point
    Legit if not for being completely propped up by the common tank role actions, we only have:
    A 15% Magic CD (30% if we spend MP)
    A 30% CD
    A 20% shield that costs mp.
    The blind on DP *maybe* but DP is getting hammered by it's doubled MP cost.

    Legit what the shit.
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  2. #62
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    ADVSS's Avatar
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus View Post
    Legit if not for being completely propped up by the common tank role actions, we only have:
    A 15% Magic CD (30% if we spend MP)
    A 30% CD
    A 20% shield that costs mp.
    The blind on DP *maybe* but DP is getting hammered by it's doubled MP cost.

    Legit what the shit.
    Pretty awful really, was just a joke, I dont think theyre trying to go back to ARR with 2 tanks and 2 healers, but looking at whm...
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  3. #63
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    saber_alter's Avatar
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    Lyrre Myste
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    Cactuar
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackironTarkus View Post
    Legit if not for being completely propped up by the common tank role actions, we only have:
    A 15% Magic CD (30% if we spend MP)
    A 30% CD
    A 20% shield that costs mp.
    The blind on DP *maybe* but DP is getting hammered by it's doubled MP cost.

    Legit what the shit.
    I'm frankly expecting buffs in 4.1 at this point. I'm literally having 2.0 warrior flashbacks.
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  4. #64
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    InfiniDragon's Avatar
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    Blake Farrence
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Oh and the job guides are up; they also nerfed healing on Abyssal Drain too.

    Like seriously. What are you doing, SE.
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  5. #65
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    Deathshiro's Avatar
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    Shiro Falh
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Is this a joke? This has to be some sick joke. They needed a buffS SEVERELY after the media tour

    "We didn't make another tank because we wanted to balance them"

    Aka: We didn't make another tank, so PLD can be the only tank.

    Thanks yoshi, time to switch to a dps or something, can't really go healer either unless I wanna play AST
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  6. #66
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    These changes are AWFUL, exactly what I was afraid of when I pre-ordered. All my worst fears coming true plus stuff I could not even imagine.

    No more massive pull with DA-DD then DA-AD sustain. No more reprisal or scourge. I don't even.......I guess I will just play NIN and SAM now.
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  7. #67
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    ADVSS's Avatar
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    These changes are AWFUL, exactly what I was afraid of when I pre-ordered. All my worst fears coming true plus stuff I could not even imagine.

    No more massive pull with DA-DD then DA-AD sustain. No more reprisal or scourge. I don't even.......I guess I will just play NIN and SAM now.
    you can still do those types of pulls, but with grit on only. even then with unleash losing half potency, and AD weakened returns, the speed runs are gonna slow down somewhat. scourge, for better or worse was dropped like fracture, or phlrb on drg. I guess no more dots except pld as well. Thematically though, DRK seems to have lost a lot of its lustre, I'm just confused how they could make pld work out or get rdm pretty close to more than what I expected it to be, and well...I guess the OT is just supposed to deal dmg now, sadlt rhat spots been taken for a while now
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  8. #68
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    Falar's Avatar
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    Kane Blackstone
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    Ultros
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ADVSS View Post
    you can still do those types of pulls, but with grit on only. even then with unleash losing half potency, and AD weakened returns, the speed runs are gonna slow down somewhat. scourge, for better or worse was dropped like fracture, or phlrb on drg. I guess no more dots except pld as well. Thematically though, DRK seems to have lost a lot of its lustre, I'm just confused how they could make pld work out or get rdm pretty close to more than what I expected it to be, and well...I guess the OT is just supposed to deal dmg now, sadlt rhat spots been taken for a while now
    Look at all that we lost:

    Reprisal (the new class skill is sad in comparison)
    Dark Dance (same as above)
    Low Blow (same as above)
    Scourge
    Dark Passenger nerfed
    Unleash nerfed (why?)
    Souleater hp return nerfed
    AD hp return nerfed
    Massive DPS loss like all tanks
    Blood Price locked to Grit
    (1)

  9. #69
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    Tint's Avatar
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 100
    the skill i will miss the most is Foresight. you can say what you want about this skill, but Shadow Skin and Foresight were the backbone of the defensive kit in dungeon runs.
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  10. #70
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    ADVSS's Avatar
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    Advent Shadowsoul
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    Zalera
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Falar View Post
    Look at all that we lost:

    Reprisal (the new class skill is sad in comparison)
    Dark Dance (same as above)
    Low Blow (same as above)
    Scourge
    Dark Passenger nerfed
    Unleash nerfed (why?)
    Souleater hp return nerfed
    AD hp return nerfed
    Massive DPS loss like all tanks
    Blood Price locked to Grit
    I know I know I
    m not very happy about it, the entire parry proc mechanic is over with due to the loss of skills relying on it, so they give DD more parry but only 10 percent more for that much mp cost. Its ludicrous, I mean at least now that casters can give mp out, that darkside still makes drk the only tank /job that cant recieve party aid for resources still. But we get to do 3x more soul eaters because its the only other combo, and the only mp regaining combo we got now....giving reprisal to the other tanks wasnt what we meant when we wanted a fix

    I'll probably roll PLD as my tank, after I get my casters up. Its just a shame that my favorite classic job has become the FF4 versuion, where PLD is superior in every way and an upgrade to it
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    Last edited by ADVSS; 06-16-2017 at 03:41 PM.

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