How's BLM looking?

[EllieShadeflare]

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Youre effectively the caster version of bard except more damage, caster parties MUST take you unless they are blind and stupid.

Woe is you.

Okay, let's disseminate this, one by one.

Smns who have the highest utility of the caster classes whining about personal dps not being as over powered as it was.

Citation needed. Our only utility was access to Virus and Eye for an Eye, and you're usually gonna have a Scholar in your party who can E4E better than you anyway. Plus, we lost those, so whoops. There goes THAT. And I'd like to direct you to Black Mages, who in battles without the greatest of movement (which Alexander: The Creator and the most recent surge of dungeons have reimplemented) cut through bosses like hot knives in butter.

Also the 1000 character limit is kinda dumb, so I'll have continue in a few more posts.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

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Citation needed. Our only utility was access to Virus and Eye for an Eye, and you're usually gonna have a Scholar in your party who can E4E better than you anyway.

You lost all credibility with anything you say due to not mentioning summoners have BATTLE REZ as utility. Unless by 'citation' you were asking for clarification on your knowledge of said things.

[EllieShadeflare]

You lost all credibility with anything you say due to not mentioning summoners have BATTLE REZ as utility.

My apologies, I forgot about something that was a form of utility for SMN, despite it being done better by Red Mages. My bad! That's only one more thing to the mostly selfish moveset of Summoner, but it'll certainly be mentioned in the next post.

[EllieShadeflare]

Oh no you cant do over tuned as hell AoE on top of near blm level single target with better mobility anymore oh the agony of not being op as hell.

By mobility for single target, you mean DoTs/Ruin II, the latter of which does far crappier damage than Fire IV, Fester which is a oGCD, of which we can only do 3 times per minute? Our pet KINDA helps and our "utility" was either selfish or Radiant Shield or the situational Resurrection? As for our AoEs, BLMs have better burst through Fire IIs that they can cast as much as they'd like, versus our Painflares of which we only get three (seeing a bit of a pattern with our more powerful abilities), their nuke, Flare, versus our Deathflare and its paltry 400 potency every minute. All we get to edge over you, is Shadow Flare and Bane. With Stormblood, all of our damage was shot and our AoE identity removed. But why should Summoners complain, Black Mage gets Quad Flare, Foul, and Thunder IV, the last of which can proc with Thundercloud.

[Silverquick]

That is true too...

Summoner already has a Support class side... its the Scholar. Especially since you automatically get both at the same level once unlocked.

That's who actually uses those things.By the time you get to 60th as a Summoner... pretty much all your utility is weak at best. I think Resurrection is the only utility left by that point. Physick is way too pathetic to use as a Summoner.

Scholar utility though... that gets stronger and stronger.

But then again the Scholar is the healing/utility side of Arcanist... Summoner is the DPS side of Arcanist... you pick one or the other depending on what you like best.

Having two support jobs spring out of Arcanist is pointless.

[EllieShadeflare]

You have ST and a strong raid syngery that 1 of them affects all casters in the group and the other for 1 target to , unlike drgs 10% buff to self and 5% to another, buffs them by 5% and reduces the damage they take by 5%.

Eye for an Eye and Virus are gone. Like, literally gone for Summoners. At best we get Addle, the Mage side of Virus, and the other one was given to Melee DPS. Meanwhile, Devotion, our new utility no longer buffs the party and only the person closest to the pet. Contagion is a poor man's Foe's Requiem/Bishop Hypercharge and...

Ifrit has a mini hyper charge

Oh! Thanks for reminding me that Ifrit's Radiant Shield was loaded on with a 2% vulnerability debuff, like a crappy Rook Hypercharge. Now we'll never see Garuda again except in almost-all Caster parties, or in a party with 2 SMNs... but who'd take SMN SMN in a serious raid, due to party bonus penalties?

[IllyriaKnotfred]

I just don't understand the need for doom and gloom when it comes to numbers and not functionality. If 4.0 rolls out and SMN does end up having low damage compared to BLM/RDM, they will get buffed. If their kit is fun, and the changes work overall and the only issue is numbers- those can be tweaked. Easily, with little to no effort. People just need to calm down and let the raid tier come out before freaking out about potency. Balance will come, maybe not at first, but it will still come.

[Silverquick]

I just don't understand the need for doom and gloom when it comes to numbers and not functionality. If 4.0 rolls out and SMN does end up having low damage compared to BLM/RDM, they will get buffed. If their kit is fun, and the changes work overall and the only issue is numbers- those can be tweaked. Easily, with little to no effort. People just need to calm down and let the raid tier come out before freaking out about potency. Balance will come, maybe not at first, but it will still come.

Yeah but that's pointless...

Why would you want to play something you didn't sign up for all the way through the content just to get that far?

I'm fine waiting for launch to find out if they really did nerf it that bad... but that's as far as it goes.

If it hasn't changed from what I am looking at currently... no way in hell would I play it. There are much better options than that.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

Unless you are in a very hardcore raid group- why does it matter which is the 'best'? Play what you enjoy playing the most.

[Psycofang]

Okay, let\\'s disseminate this, one by one.

Smns who have the highest utility of the caster classes whining about personal dps not being as over powered as it was.

Citation needed. Our only utility was access to Virus and Eye for an Eye, and you\\'re usually gonna have a Scholar in your party who can E4E better than you anyway.

You gained

Super virus version of magic down

Devotion dps increase and damage down

Foes from garuda

Battle raise

Mana transfer

Apocostasis from blm

Etc.

You obviously havent payed attention to anything but potency reductions if all your listing is virus and e4e.

Also yes thats blms shtick it must not move to achieve its highest natural outout something summoner can do within 90% range regardless of if there\\'s movement or not.

Cherry picking single scenarios over all emcompassing situations is a bad argument at best.