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  1. #171
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Umbral Heart lets you get off 5 F2 before Flare so that's cool I guess.
    The sad part it is that F2 is not worth it on 3 mobs anymore :<
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  2. #172
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    Void Fang
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    Zalera
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiroe View Post
    Why once per minute? When polyglot falls off, won't it be reapplied as soon as enochian is up again for 30 sec, and therefor foul can be reused?
    It appears i was mistaken upon using foul the polygot gauge still keeps ticking towards another foul. So it IS every 30s.

    Mine apologies.
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  3. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    The sad part it is that F2 is not worth it on 3 mobs anymore :<
    Youre correct as well f2 x 3 mobs = 444 potency and fire 4 is 481. Youll actively be punished aoeing until level 58.
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  4. #174
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    Ohlala Chica
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    yep, f2 feels a bit broken imo., even if t4 is supposed to compensate that...,

    f2 should do 90 Base, would equal f4, if f2 is done on 3 mobs (one of the most commen mob set up), and lower f2 mp cost, a bit lower than f4 mp, just to be able to maybe get am extant cast if done under u-hearts
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  5. #175
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    So at current even with thunder 4 its better to thunder 4 then fire 4 anything at 3 mobs or below which is most pulls.

    4+ is now the new level for aoe to beT our single target until level 58 which i think our aoe will be something like f4 f4 flare flare on 3 mobs and f2 f2 flare flare on 4+.

    At current summoners aoe at -80% beats our fire 2 by 12 potency and only goes up as the dr decreases, mixed with garudas aoe, enkindles, 5s painflare and DT every minute and even with t4 summoner should beat our aoe on a static sample until 58.
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  6. #176
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    Flower Girl
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycofang View Post
    At current summoners aoe at -80% beats our fire 2 by 12 potency and only goes up as the dr decreases, mixed with garudas aoe, enkindles, 5s painflare and DT every minute and even with t4 summoner should beat our aoe on a static sample until 58.
    Just waiting for my "Blm buddy" to reply for this ;3
    (couldn't resist sry .__. Psy hopefully you know that I actually really like you)
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    Last edited by Neela; 06-19-2017 at 07:51 AM.

  7. #177
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Did some of you not look at the jobs page that was made? It shows what was nerfed, blm has more then some were saying.
    Smn and blm should be close, in real settings that is. POTD i am sorry cannot be used as comparison, lol

    Once players actually make it to 70, they can start making calculations and all that stuff, then we will see were both jobs stand and red mage with seems really good so far.

    @ Shiroe, i tend to agree, F2 just does not feel right now
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  8. #178
    Player Neela's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    Once players actually make it to 70, they can start making calculations and all that stuff, then we will see were both jobs stand and red mage with seems really good so far
    Finally an objective, realistic statement - lots of love for this one
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  9. #179
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    Lho Polaali
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    Moogle
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    If nothing else, I've grown to really like the new Enochian. Having actually tried it for a while, it feels a lot more dynamic than the old one. The lack of diminishing returns on the refresh makes switching to Umbral Ice not as harmful, and actually useful given the Umbral Hearts you can get from it, and Transpose being all it takes to keep it up really helps both upkeep as well mobility. So that's one change I'm really happy with, number crunching aside.
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  10. #180
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    Have you tried Red Mage yet Neela?
    I must say i am loving it
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