Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[TheAngelneer]

This just happened: queued for leveling roulette as MCH, had that sweet 20 minutes DPS queue.

Got paired with a PLD, a BRD and a leaf WHM. I was pleasantly surprised by the leaf WHM going out of his way to DPS, this had everything to be a smooth dungeon run.

Then I noticed things were taking kinda long to die and I was the only DPS with aggro in more than 1 mob at the time, I started paying attention to the BRD and noticed he wasn't using his DoTs nor any AoE skills, all he would do is spam Heavy Shot and the ocasional Straight Shot. Told him to don't forget his DoTs and maybe AoE a little and got ignored. Just before the second boss the tank did a bigger pull and when I asked the BRD to AoE a second time the tank raged, told me to "shut the fuck up" and vote kicked me.

Of course I went to check the contact list and they are from the same server, probably queued together and kick anyone who even asks them to put some effort into playing.

Thank you for wasting 1h of my time with half a dungeon run and 2 queues.

Edit: forgot to mention that I checked the BRD search info, he mains BRD and is at level 55.

[Aramina]

Thank you for wasting 1h of my time with half a dungeon run and 2 queues.

Just be content that at that rate of play they probably spent longer in the dungeon than it took you to take another queue

[Smol]

Edit2: If the person plays as bad as we all know they are doing, it's likely they've been told by every person they ever played with and are sick of hearing it.

If they have heard the same advice ad nauseam, maybe they should consider actually trying it.

Sure, Miste was probably at least a smidge annoyed in this instance (given that they were trying to help), but there is no need for the tone policing. Nothing they said was even remotely out of line. If anything, I think Miste was more patient than she needed to be.

I'm sure if they healer continues to act in the same way, they are going to get it much worse with someone significantly less forgiving.

[Miste]

If you've read her, or anyone's posts on the General forum, you know people around here are impatient. She was told to drop it by someone else in the party, that was where it should have ended.

Again, no where in my post did I mention the run was slow or that I wanted it to speed up or anything remotely impatient. If anything my party members were actually the impatient ones since they couldn't stop for a minute to quickly chat about this issue of a healer healing with cleric stance on and running out of MP while doing so.

Don't offer such advice unsolicited during the run otherwise arguments ensue.

^ this mentality is so wrong. Why is help or advice a bad thing? Why does offering help or advice lead to arguments? People are turning it into a bad thing with their attitudes and responses when people chat to them.

It is a MMO. Massively Multiplayer Online game. Social & cooperative gameplay. This isn't a solo game.

Yet, we can't talk to one another about any concerns while trying to complete a cooperative piece of content. We can't offer help/advice or even ask questions of someone else because of players like this who immediately think we are attacking them if we do so.

"You asked a question to me? You are trying to give advice? You're trying to help me? No, you must be just attacking me! You are just being impatient! You're just an elitist! You're so rude!" as examples etc.

By the way, all your little labels are wrong except the last one. Yeah I was a bit rude at my last comment because of her claiming I was attacking her when I was just trying to help. You do eventually get fed up with that kind of attitude. Wasn't even an ounce of rudeness before that, just advice and being honest (maybe a bit bluntly so, but honesty none the less)

Miste may have thought she was helping, but what was the purpose of trying 6 times?

I technically only tried twice to try to make her understand what I was saying about Cleric. Not six.

First part was the first conversation which I tried to explain in different words what I mean since she didn't seem to understand the problem (this only lasted like 2 minutes but typing some while pulling/killing)

Then 15 minutes later was the second time I tried to get her to understand she cannot sit in Cleric and spam heal me 20 times trying to get my HP to go up.

Two times isn't excessive not to mention I wasn't pushy about it since 15 mins went by before I said anything again. I just couldn't understand why she was healing with Cleric on half the time and seemed to not notice her heals were healing for pretty much nothing.

When you initiate a conversation and the other person you are talking to doesn't appear to understand what you are saying you try to clarify your issue in more words or different words to see if it helps them understand. It isn't me telling her the same thing six times. It is me clarifying what I was trying to say in two different conversations to try to get through to her so I could help her.

It just occurred to me -

Maybe that healer was actually SUPER HARDCORE!

Like, they were trying to artificially inflate the difficulty of healing in this game since it can be such a snoozefest.

lol I actually did think of this at the first two pulls when she left Cleric on like the whole time and tried to heal me. It's funny you mention that I guess we kind of thought the same thing xD

[Smol]

Snip!

It just occurred to me -

Maybe that healer was actually SUPER HARDCORE!

Like, they were trying to artificially inflate the difficulty of healing in this game since it can be such a snoozefest.

...No? Okay.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

It just occurred to me -

Maybe that healer was actually SUPER HARDCORE!

Like, they were trying to artificially inflate the difficulty of healing in this game since it can be such a snoozefest.

...No? Okay.

All these heal only healers actually had the perfect tool all along for their playstyle that would allow them to keep active for the entire duration of the fights!

Shame it's going away in a couple days...

:3

[Aramina]

All these heal only healers actually had the perfect tool all along for their playstyle that would allow them to keep active for the entire duration of the fights!

Shame it's going away in a couple days...

:3

I am almost tempted to do this. FOR SCIENCE. (and boredom.. ok maybe all boredom)

[TruebladeNuke]

Wow. 1006 pages before Stormblood even releases. I expect this thread to suddenly fill up with complaints about "lolSAM!" and "lolRDM!" during the first few weeks of Stormblood's release.

I wish I could say I didn't have any more "eye roll worthy" runs before Stormblood, but just a few weeks ago, I ended up having very questionable healers in a regular Zurvan run. (Not even EX, mind you)

The battle starts with the WAR in Defiance and I've joined the round as a PLD in Sword Oath. The WAR leaves Defiance on, but doesn't pull. After a bit, and not really wanting to just stand around wasting time, I turn on Shield Oath and lead instead. WAR is quick to react to the situation thankfully and turns on Deliverance. Phase 1 goes by without a hitch. (It'd better. It's rather easy)

Phase 2 is where the trouble begins, and Zurvan isn't even fully trying yet in this phase. Seems to me people tend to underestimate just how hard Zurvan hits, even on normal/hard mode. During the battle, I'm surviving just fine by rotating through my defense cooldowns and getting in a Clemency here and there to help keep my HP up there during forced down time. Everyone who's played as a PLD enough times though knows how much of an MP guzzler Clemency is. I can't keep that up forever.

After the first Soar, the problems start right here. I note that the healers are Cleric Stance DPSing while my HP is high. Good. I like healers that squeeze in DPS time. My HP falls to 50%. Still fine. Maybe these healers are skilled to the point of which the WHM is just waiting to use Benediction. HP falls to 25%. In a random Duty Finder party, this is where I'd expect heals to start being sent my way. I know people love the strategy of waiting until the tank is really low on HP before popping a Benediction and what not, but when I'm working with a total stranger I don't know and is my healer, I AM going to panic a bit if you still refuse to heal me at 10%-25%. I take another attack from Zurvan and note that the next attack WILL kill me, even though I'm in Shield Oath. I've already cycled through all my defense skills except Convelesance, which is being rendered useless because the healers (A WHM and an AST) STILL refuse to heal me. I finally panic and hit the Hallowed Ground button. (Is macroed to give a sound cue that I just went invicible for the next few seconds)

Sure enough, the next attack comes out that would have killed me if I didn't turn on Hallowed Ground. The healers STILL won't heal me! Phase 3 begins moments after I take the said attack besides, meaning I saved myself from one measly hit with a rather powerful cooldown... that could have been better used. Guess what the healers finally do after Zurvan finally jumps for the phase shift? NOW THEY HEAL! WITH BENEDICTION AND ESSENTIAL DIGNITY HITTING ME AT THE SAME TIME! You guys seriously couldn't have done that a few seconds sooner!? Now my Hallowed Ground is practically wasted.

As Phase 3 begins, at least the WAR is on the ball and helps with add management. (Probably noted the healers insistance on not healing) We get to the final set of adds, and I end up getting the aggro of both of the adds that attack on a regular basis. (The WAR is helping kill the add that drops the meteor with Fell Cleaves) Once again, despite using defense cooldowns to keep myself alive, the healers refuse to heal. They refuse to the point of which I die. To the adds. Finally they note I needed help and they swiftcast rez me... seconds away from Zurvan using his special. Rezzing into his special is of course a bad idea, especially since the healers are refusing to heal. Of course, by staying down, the rez buff vanishes after the special. Phase 4 begins and throughout the entire battle, the healers refuse to rez me again. And just start Cleric Stance DPSing again. (They don't even bother to AoE heal)

The WAR steps up to tank since I'm down. At first, it's going fine, as the WAR is carefully using their own defensive cooldowns to survive Zurvan. Clearly the WAR has noted the healers lack of desire to heal, as he/she never leaves Defiance after stepping up to MT. Inner Beasts. Vengence. You name it, the WAR is doing what he/she can to survive as well. Except it's now Phase 4, and Zurvan is now using Tyfring. Do the healers respond? NOPE! They just keep Cleric Stance DPSing. WAR uses Inner Beast and Equilibrium to get some HP back. Zurvan prepares another Tyfring. WAR ends up having to resort to Holmgang already. Do the healers respond to the fact that the WAR is only sitting at 1 HP?

... you guessed it. They just keep DPSing. The WAR promptly dies. This happens as the WAR happens to be standing on a blue circle for the colored meteor mechanic, resulting in a failed mechanic. My FC mate, the BLM, promtly dies to this. (Guess who didn't get healed as well?) Zurvan promptly turns to the NIN and quickly chews through the NIN as one of the healers swift rezs the WAR. (They STILL won't rez me) The WAR does his/her best to snap aggro back to him/her and keep Zurvan off the party. Zurvan simply prepares another Tyrfing and KO's the WAR again. (Guess who didn't get healed again?) Finally, someone calls out the BS on the healers part. (The NIN, who got chewed quickly)

"Healers, for the love of god, ****ing heal your bloody tanks!"

One of the surviving DPS replies "Forget that for now! We need a healer LB3!"

Healers finally snap to their senses and are FINALLY AoE healing, while Zurvan is now looking to chew through the WHM. Said surviving DPS repeats "Healer LB3! Now!" One of the healers finally respond and uses the LB3. Interestingly enough, the WAR insists on being the MT here despite me being up now as well and the WAR is still suffering from "Weakness". I go along with it and activate Sword Oath. Zurvan readies another Tyrfing to lay into the WAR. The WAR thankfully responds with defensive cooldowns. What are the healers doing as the WAR is reduced to 10% HP?

DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS

In my head: "Umm... healers? You guys gonna heal the WAR here some time today?"

DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS

Me: ...



I... can't believe... this is actually happening...

Now that I have 0% trust left in these "healers", I activate Shield Oath and use Provoke to get heat off of the WAR, who responds by turning on Delieverance. Just in time too as Zurvan starts preparing another Tyrfing at this moment. What are the healers doing?

DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS

I activate Sentinel in combination with Shield Oath to mostly negate the Tyrfing damage. I'm now reduced to about 35%-50% HP. What are the healers doing?

DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS (They haven't even bothered to heal the WAR)

*Flips the "Great Healer DPS Debate" table in my head in absolute rage*

I start using Clemency to keep myself alive, thankfully long enough for Zurvan to die. What do the healers do the moment the battle is over? They very promptly run out of the room without a word.

... ... ...

I'm willing to agree with what someone else said earlier in here. There ARE no good healers left in this game. This experience has taught me that the hard way. The only random healers I seem to get anymore in DF are the ones who are shy about DPSing... or are DPS obsessed to the point of where they forget the primary point of the job they signed up for. Going into Stormblood, I'm going to see if I can convince my FC mate that we should go back to the "Tank and Healer" combo we were doing earlier, JUST to avoid situations like that in the future.

I never want to hear "Healers who don't DPS are the worst players in existance!" in any way ever again. IMO, healers who refuse to do their primary duty by any means are worse then the healers who don't DPS. This is just another reason why I point accusing fingers at both ends of the "Healer DPS debate" table. I'm tired of the extremists on both ends of this debate, and it's getting worse with each and every passing day as it seems to be leaking more and more into the battles in the game itself.

I'm serious. Through that entire battle, there were many moments where healing was needed, and it never came. Instead, they kept doing this:

DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS

I will never un-see that battle now. People are dieing. Healing is needed to survive certain mechanics. What are the "healers" doing?

DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS DPS

*Jumps off a cliff screaming "I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE!"*

[Smol]

Snip!

Obligatory "but did you clear?" here.

I'm being facetious, of course. Even us crazy pro-DPS poops never suggest healers shirk their primary duty - that being healing.

[TaranTatsuuchi]

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I never want to hear "Healers who don't DPS are the worst players in existance!" in any way ever again. IMO, healers who refuse to do their primary duty by any means are worse then the healers who don't DPS. This is just another reason why I point accusing fingers at both ends of the "Healer DPS debate" table. I'm tired of the extremists on both ends of this debate, and it's getting worse with each and every passing day as it seems to be leaking more and more into the battles in the game itself.
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Which is why I always argue that they should be doing something useful to the group with every gcd, not that they 'should dps'.
It just happens to coincide that the most useful thing once people are healed is to dps...

In my opinion, that argument is horrendously mislabeled.
It's the people standing around idle that are the problem.