WHM might be meta

[QooEr]

And why would I want to even manually cast it on each member? By the time a huge aoe damage comes, the confession stacks would have ran out.

Because youre not meant to. Plenary indulgence was most likely meant to aid single target heals, or when youre healing both tanks often, like during faust fights, or during the robot phase in a8s. I know that the proc rate and the duration of the actual buff make the skill situational, but even if it was a 100% proc on infinite duration, the only time somoene would ever get the stacks on people other than the tank(s) would be prepull.

[QooEr]

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I went back to the spreadsheet and noticed some mistakes on my part. (i forgot to multiply scholars rotation for the 10 mins times 600/360, but i also had strategem calculated wrongly on scholar and also unfairly didnt give crits to whm) I corrected the spreadsheet and white mage still outdpsed scholar and strategem. maybe not so drastically anymore, but it still does.

whm dps > sch dps + strategem rdps impact
1.0588 * (0.0737 rdps) > (0.0737 rdps) + (0.0031075 rdps)
0.07803356 rdps > 0.0768075 rdps

[LegoTechnic]

I went back to the spreadsheet and noticed some mistakes on my part. (i forgot to multiply scholars rotation for the 10 mins times 600/360, but i also had strategem calculated wrongly on scholar and also unfairly didnt give crits to whm) I corrected the spreadsheet and white mage still outdpsed scholar and strategem. maybe not so drastically anymore, but it still does.

whm dps > sch dps + strategem rdps impact
1.0588 * (0.0737 rdps) > (0.0737 rdps) + (0.0031075 rdps)
0.07803356 rdps > 0.0768075 rdps

What formula are you using for your crit rate and what values for BiS gear set? 16.8% is low for a BiS set (my personal gear values give me 20.8%).

In your spreadsheet, Shadow Flare should be used an additional time for five total rather than four. If your cycle duration for SCH is 365 seconds then it should be used at least 6 times for once a minute, with the 6th application being ignored due to being placed at the end of the cycle and unable to tick.

Finally is it your point that a WHM will do more single target DPS than a SCH in SB? Because you don't really need a spreadsheet for that given both their primary DoT and their direct damage spell are higher potency than SCH's equivalents, so the comparison is really whether or not Shadowflare and Energy Drain can make up for the damage done by Assize plus the boost from Presence of Mind and whatever the leftover damage deficit may be. Also, the primary benefit of Chain Strategem isn't to boost the SCH's personal DPS, but that of the entire raid. Narrowing it down to solo encounters is a little disingenuous for its purpose.

[QooEr]

What formula are you using for your crit rate and what values for BiS gear set? 16.8% is low for a BiS set (my personal gear values give me 20.8%).

In your spreadsheet, Shadow Flare should be used an additional time for five total rather than four. If your cycle duration for SCH is 365 seconds then it should be used at least 6 times for once a minute, with the 6th application being ignored due to being placed at the end of the cycle and unable to tick.

Finally is it your point that a WHM will do more single target DPS than a SCH in SB? Because you don't really need a spreadsheet for that given both their primary DoT and their direct damage spell are higher potency than SCH's equivalents, so the comparison is really whether or not Shadowflare and Energy Drain can make up for the damage done by Assize plus the boost from Presence of Mind and whatever the leftover damage deficit may be. Also, the primary benefit of Chain Strategem isn't to boost the SCH's personal DPS, but that of the entire raid. Narrowing it down to solo encounters is a little disingenuous for its purpose.

you can be able to cast another shadow flare, but since its a dot with no initial potency it would do 0 damage. also shadow glare is going to be on a 90 second cooldown, which makes 360/90=4 times to use shadow flare. which means i actually shouldve counted for THREE shadow flares and not 4

my point was Not to show that it just did more damage. my point was that whm did enough more damage to compensate for not having stratagem. i compared the raid dps impact of stratagem + scholar's personal dps and compared it to white mage's personal dps. which is why i did whm dps > sch dps + stratagem rdps impact.

i looked at gordias gear. since we are going to the beginning of the expac i used stats from the beginning of the expac. most bis had about 800-900 crit, so i picked 850. the formula i used was dervy's ((CRIT-354)/(858*5))+0.05 for crit chance and ((CRIT-354)/(858*5))+1.45 for crit damage
at the end of the paragraph tho, i did include what the rate would be at 1100 crit.

Of course, stratagem’s effectiveness will increase as we get more crit to stack. Current values for crits tend to be around 22.38% crit chance and 1.62 for crit damage, which would make stratagem a 0.46% rdps increase for the later patches of stormblood.

if you want to do the math with that, we get
1.0588 * (0.0737 ) > (0.0737 ) + (0.0046 )
0.07803356 > 0.0783
which is not true anymore, hence why i said during the early tiers of savage.

[Sanghelios]

Did not read all posts, but did you also include the fairy into your spreadsheet? The fairy is doing quite a lot of healing so even if a whm deals more damage than a scholar, the whm would have less time to dps since he would have to heal more than the scholar wich then may decrease the dps of the whm by a certain amount.

[t-a-l-a-n-m-e-r-c-e-r]

Not only is the OP ignoring the fairy but also disregarding that WHM might potentially have worse MP management. This is unknown until it can be tested in game.

[Ceasaria]

Did not read all posts, but did you also include the fairy into your spreadsheet? The fairy is doing quite a lot of healing so even if a whm deals more damage than a scholar, the whm would have less time to dps since he would have to heal more than the scholar wich then may decrease the dps of the whm by a certain amount.

What the point of the fairy when you need to cast Cure II too get lilies ? ^^

Anyways, if comparison we have, it must be between the compo : WHM / AST (noct) and AST (diur) / SCH.
DPS Pull, DPS total in the fight, MP management, How to heal in the fight, total number of healing/mitigation/defensive spells, etc.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Not only is the OP ignoring the fairy but also disregarding that WHM might potentially have worse MP management. This is unknown until it can be tested in game.

And exactly how is it worse to warrant it to be a demerit?

[QooEr]

Not only is the OP ignoring the fairy but also disregarding that WHM might potentially have worse MP management. This is unknown until it can be tested in game.

i included mp spent in the spreadsheet too. also, scholar only has the energy drains over white mage now (assize recovers the same mp as aetherflow and its on the same cooldown, and both have lucid dreaming)

[QooEr]

Did not read all posts, but did you also include the fairy into your spreadsheet? The fairy is doing quite a lot of healing so even if a whm deals more damage than a scholar, the whm would have less time to dps since he would have to heal more than the scholar wich then may decrease the dps of the whm by a certain amount.

this is pretty tricky since healing is fight dependent, but in page 2 i point out some things about my experience in savage speedruns and how it wouldn't hurt the parses too much