About Esuna, Exalted Detriment and Leeches change

[Phixx]

So this means that the only important, critical skills (at least to me) that will take up the 5 Cross Role slots are Protect, Esuna, Lucid Dreaming, Swiftcast and Largesse and the reason I disprove of this, is because all these skills except for Swiftcast and Protect, were in someway built into the Healers, IE WHM had Saints Shroud and Divine Seal, Astrologian had Synastry which raised healing by 20% and bonded them to a target which when you heal someone else, 40% of the ASTs healing goes to the target you are bonded with, and ASTs had Luminiferous Aether which is their version of Saints Shroud it just didnt reduce Enmity. But WHM had to Cross Class Swiftcast while AST and SCH had to cross class both Protect, Swiftcast AND Cleric Stance.

Long story short, in my eyes, and evidently the eyes of others, this isnt helping anything at all. Cause the important skills that used to be built into the Healers, are now Cross Role skills they have to equip to use as if they were swiftcast.

You seem to be forgetting that current cross class is already very limited in terms of choice.

Must haves:
SCH: Cleric, Protect, Swiftcast, Aero, (Stoneskin/Blizz2)
AST: Cleric, Protect, Swiftcast, Aero, (Stoneskin/Blizz2)
WHM: Swiftcast, E4E, Virus

Extra options:
SCH: Cure, Raise, Surecast
AST: Cure, Raise, Surecast
WHM: Ruin, Physick, Surecast, Blizz2

Raise and Cure are completely useless to SCH and AST same as Ruin and Physick for WHM. So SCH and AST are essentially locked to 4/5 that they should be taking and WHM is locked to 3 with the other 2 options being mediocre.

The new system allows people who are able to coordinate Cross Role skills with each other to pick depending on the fight they are doing. Casual players like me and yourself will probably pick the same basic set of skills that will assume we are the only healer in the content or cannot realistically coordinate with a co-healer. This is fine and doesn't really change the amount of flexibility that we currently have with cross class.

[Ootarion]

You seem to be forgetting that current cross class is already very limited in terms of choice.

That isnt what concerns me, what concerns me is that they've taken core skills and put them into the Cross Role, which makes zero sense.

Also Aramina, granted, but again, even in the situations where they could be used, I am not likely to use them ever because to many of my important abilities as a healer, are now lopped in with the Cross Role abilities. Im not about to change what Ive gotten used to, because SE isnt thinking this through D:

Also btw, again, Aramina and Taika, I want to stress that I didnt intend on insulting anyone or talking down to anyone, so once more, my apologies.

Of course, and I even admitted that in a previous post.

I guess the disconnect betweeen me/Phixx and you is you are focused on "they took my stuff!" and we are focused on "we will still heal in the same way". No one is wrong for being upset they took their stuff.... because they did and it sucks and etc etc, but functionally you will be the same.

edit: Also I am not offended in the least, and likewise, hopefully I didn't offend anyone as that wasn't my intent. Just kinda focused on "What's done is done, where do we go from here?" if that makes sense.

It's not that im focused on the they took my stuff part, I understand that functionally we will be the same, I just dont like how they are going about it, cause like Ive been saying and what others have said, stuff like, Esuna for example, SHOULDNT be a Cross Role because people are always gonna have it as will they likely take Largesse and Lucid Dream, which should have stayed as built in buffs to Healers, and not Cross Roled, make sense?

I am of the same mind as Aramina. As a WoW player who went through the Legion ability prune I lost baseline class skills to the talent tree and can absolutely agree that it sucks and feels bad. But on the other hand, we will be fine, you won't lose your ability to heal. To me it feels like we will be able to take the abilities we consider "baseline" and the more skilled players and the ones that can coordinate not taking those abilities will get to experiment with the newer ones that don't seem so mandatory.

Heck, who knows, sometime running experts you might decide you don't actually need Largesse or similar and decide to switch abilities as you get more comfortable with the content. (Or by yanking RDMs out of melee after they use their gap closer :P)

I went through the WoW Legion Ability Prune as well, but most of the skills I cared about were not even thrown into the Talent Tree, and I saw this as the case with most other classes, so I cant really say that I feel at all upset with the WoW ability Prune, but stuff like Debuff Removers were never put in there, not to my knowledge, least not the ones that are part of the core kit of a class.

Addendum: I mean I am not totally unhappy with the Cross Role system, but...like Ive said, it feels like SE did not think this through and it's really depressing and I hope they change this D:

[Aramina]

Also Aramina, granted, but again, even in the situations where they could be used, I am not likely to use them ever because to many of my important abilities as a healer, are now lopped in with the Cross Role abilities.

Of course, and I even admitted that in a previous post.

I guess the disconnect betweeen me/Phixx and you is you are focused on "they took my stuff!" and we are focused on "we will still heal in the same way". No one is wrong for being upset they took their stuff.... because they did and it sucks and etc etc, but functionally you will be the same.

edit: Also I am not offended in the least, and likewise, hopefully I didn't offend anyone as that wasn't my intent. Just kinda focused on "What's done is done, where do we go from here?" if that makes sense.

[Phixx]

That isnt what concerns me, what concerns me is that they've taken core skills and put them into the Cross Role, which makes zero sense.

I am of the same mind as Aramina. As a WoW player who went through the Legion ability prune I lost baseline class skills to the talent tree and can absolutely agree that it sucks and feels bad. But on the other hand, we will be fine, you won't lose your ability to heal. To me it feels like we will be able to take the abilities we consider "baseline" and the more skilled players and the ones that can coordinate not taking those abilities will get to experiment with the newer ones that don't seem so mandatory.

Heck, who knows, sometime running experts you might decide you don't actually need Largesse or similar and decide to switch abilities as you get more comfortable with the content. (Or by yanking RDMs out of melee after they use their gap closer :P)