Yoshi P to Mr.Happy "Heal DPS is not mandatory and no expectation for Healer to DPS!"

[Zojha]

That's my point though. There is no thread about lazy DPS or tanks. It's only ever healers that get brought up.

That's because only very few seriously defend a DPS that only spams 1 or 1-2-3 or lets Garuda do his damage while he's on follow. They're lazy and bad, everybody knows and agrees, it's not controversial that they're lazy and/or bad and it's also typically not very controversial whether it's okay to kick them or not. The controversy in those debates stems from using a parser to determine that, rather than observing the DPS in question for it.

When a healer stands still for extended periods of time instead of DPSing however, it's controversial whether they're lazy and/or bad. There are people who think that as long as "they're doing their job", it's okay to not do more. And that's why threads about healers constantly pop up and explode. A thread about lazy DPS would just quickly turn into a general parser debate.

[Laerune]

Like someone said before, the developers just need to do two things:

1. Increase the amount of healing needed in dungeons, trials and raids.
2. When developing content add in the damage that will be dealt by the healers.

This will make it so that healers need to do damage or else the group will fail.

The downside is:

1. Groups wont be able to clear (fast enough) the content, because dps from healers is not an extra dps anymore.
2. The healers that picked the class for the healer role, do not want to dps and will stop playing those roles with random players or at all.
3. Healers just like Tanks will suffer from less people playing those roles, which inturn means duty finder queue will take ages.

The upside is:

SE will remove Tanks and Healers and turn FFXIV into DPS only, no queue, no role differences.

WIN/WIN?

[Areic]

I mean, I'm still gonna boot lazy healers even despite Yoshida's comments, his words aren't end all be all. If he wants it that way he should make it so that healers need to be more active.

I'm not gonna overpower/flash/etc once every 5 seconds just because I can.

And a DPS shouldn't click one ability of their combo every five seconds just because /eventually/ it'll get done. If a healer wants to stand there and do just the bare minimum when everyone else is actually trying. I will vote kick them and 90% of the time unless they que'd with a friend it will go through. Now if it's a hard healing fight I won't say anything, but any inactivity like letting a SCH pet do your healing I'm not accepting

[Aramina]

Guys, guys...

The only question I'm caring about right now, is is it ok to tell a healer "You don't pay my sub" when you know for a fact they aren't DPSing during content?

Aka, is it still a valid reason to kick them from the group?

Yes, differing playstyles is a legitimate reason for a kick.

[Keramory]

And in one fell swoop Yoshi P singlehandedly proves he doesn't understand how the balance of his own game works.

If it's not mandatory to DPS then can we balance the game so that healing actually becomes something that requires full time management to counteract all the downtime they currently have.

This is probably the smartest reply to the healer topic. I've never understood why healers have down time to begin with.

[Draxxion]

I have no idea why someone, healer or otherwise, would want to just stand around for periods of time doing nothing while their comrades in arms are not in harms way but are doing everything they can to get through the dungeon and support their fellow team mates. I for one would find it ungodly boring and very disrespectful to not contribute.

This is of course my opinion and people may argue it, but why stop contributing to the group? Even the dps pushing one button is at least contributing.

[akaneakki]

Today, Mr. Happy posted a video in which he describes a interview he did with Yoshi P during the reveal that occurred last month. !

TBH there are tons of people who say they kick non dps healers and yet I've seen it. Ive done daily roulettes where many healers doesn't do it. Me on other hand I don't care much, but it's really annoying seing how much they are allowed to AFK. I actually had to AFK once as smn and like look at the other screen since I had to reply a support chat I was waiting long for while dpsing every 10 seconds so I could reply, guess what happened to me? They told me to stop afk, the healer (which is funny) was the guy who said it and they barely and I mean BEARLY did anything in the entire run.

Yet again, you may disagree.....but that is your opinion....nothing more. Game design is game design. DPSing as a Healer was designed to be Optional...nothing more or less even if you do disagree with the man who runs the game!

Which is fine, but don't expect others to play the way you want them to play too. Like how DPS should play or tank should play. It all goes all ways. Tanks mitigate different, why not just mitigate boss only, since apperently the boss are the hardest fights in the dungeons, apperently to the master healer we all seen turned into a meme.

[Aramina]

This is probably the smartest reply to the healer topic. I've never understood why healers have down time to begin with.

Because, unfortunately you have to balance for the lowest common denominator. There have been hard dungeons before and people screamed their fool heads off until they were nerfed. I would be thrilled to the gills if we had to spend all our time healing, but unfortunately something that would make me happy would likely lock a lot of other people out of playing a healer at all.

[Dualgunner]

Like someone said before, the developers just need to do two things:

1. Increase the amount of healing needed in dungeons, trials and raids.

I have a feeling if they just did this the whole debate would be over with.

[silverlunarfox]

I mean, I'm still gonna boot lazy healers even despite Yoshida's comments, his words aren't end all be all. If he wants it that way he should make it so that healers need to be more active.

DPS'ing as healer also takes confidence, booting people doesnt help build that. I know quite a few nervous healers (and even I was one way back when I started in 2.0 granted booting wasnt a big deal then). Some have been booted for it as well if they dont speak up in a dungeon. And thats just ridiculous. It's like booting people who don't know a fight. They will just re-queue and make other peoples lives hell. SO HELP THEM. Help them learn and build their confidence so the rest of us don't have to deal with your "decision making skills"

So long as I dont die, I'm ok with the healer doing whatever he/she damn well pleases and i guide where i can. They will learn.