A big Problem that MAY come up with Stormblood...

[Zojha]

If we do have a big shortage of tanks and healers, then I think SE will introduce something to encourage players to play those roles.

Inb4 they pull a league of legends and implement "auto-fill" somehow.

[Niyuka]

"It will just last a few months" as an argument is showing such an obvious ignorance about todays gaming market and competitors, its baffling. Every expansion release for any MMO ever has been a test. There have been expansions that vastly grew their games, and expansions that killed them (looking at you, SWG) in no time flat.

If there are massive DPS queues for a few months, meaning during the time when returners and new players check out the game, just to find they will be waiting 30-60 minutes in order to progress through dungeons they NEED to do, this will hurt, A LOT.

And it will be blamed on the game, reviews everywhere will say the game has massive wait times (even though technically its just for DPS classes, who are, DRK aside, pretty much the coolest designs so far), people will flame, whine, demand changes, quit, and be generally toxic because they will lose hours of their gameplay time to this.

Within days, with 45 min wait queues, there will be posts demanding you take out instanced zones, pressure to reduce the number of needed healers/tanks in 8-mans or increase DPS slots in 4-mans, and this will NOT even out in the long run, because it NEVER has been the case in the historiy of MMOs. Bad launches stay with you forever, as ESPECIALLY FFXIV should show.

[sarehptar]

I've mained DRK since half-way through 3.x, but I've already decided to pick up my bow again and go back to BRD for Stormblood. I will certainly level all the classes eventually, but neither a tank nor a healer will be first. Likewise, I know my FC's other tank is also much less interested in continuing as WAR. One of our dedicated healers (a WHM) has already said that he's probably not going to play that class anymore.

Saving grace is having enough friends to play with to make pre-mades, but I definitely feel bad for any new players coming in as DPS. While I doubt it will be game-breaking, it's not gonna be fun either.

[SendohJin]

If there are massive DPS queues for a few months, meaning during the time when returners and new players check out the game, just to find they will be waiting 30-60 minutes in order to progress through dungeons they NEED to do, this will hurt, A LOT.

Seriously doubtful it lasts a few months. DPS are only doing the dungeons for the MSQ one time, then they can do quests, FATEs, PotD, Hunt Bills, PvP for XP.

I'm going to level every job so I'm going to play the DPS ones but after leveling I'll end up always healing or tanking at Level Cap which is what happened in HW.

[Rizvu]

Personally i mained tank since 2.x, first PLD then DRK when it came out, and i'm gonna be going full SAM in stormblood, but not because of any changes or anything, purely out of spite.

When they said "well, you know tanks tended to continue tanking (ignoring that tanks GOT a new tank) and healers continued healing (ignoring that healers GOT a new healer) in HW, so we dont forsee a problem with queues and such"

All i heard is "meh, we couldn't be bothered, the monkies will dance and sustain queue times for us either way, so we're just gonna charge them exactly the same amount for less content within their roles! screw those dumb losers right?!? DPS party wooh!"



And yes i know that's an extreme radicalization of what was being said, but that's how 'I' heard it, chalk it up to my ADHD.

So no, Yoshi-P i'm not gonna be your monkey, i wouldn't even play this game anymore if my friend didn't threaten to buy me stormblood and gametime if i tried quitting, i loved everything about HW i even changed main to DRK even though i knew it was the worst tank in 3.0 because it was new and refreshing, but going forward, you can be your own god damn monkey and fill tank queues for the people. I'll be SAM'ing my way through potd and when i level all my tanks to 70 it wil lbe in potd or with friends, sorry to everyone who potentially has to wait longer because of me and people like me, but this is us taking a stand.

A tank main will play tanks and be a tank main, so let's not give that tank main more tanks to play with even though they pay the same as DPS mains = Logic

I like to use a restaurant metaphore; you and 2 friends go to the same restaurant for years, you get fish, chicken, and beef respectively, one day the chef says he can add another awesome dish of each type for a one time fee and he'll keep improving the style for each type as well over the next 2 years.
You love the food so you're fine with that and it's on the menu and the recipe evolves over time.
Now fast forward 2 years and the chef comes out again and says he's gonna add, not just one, but TWO fish dishes, but we all have to pay the fee even though chicken and beef guy dont like fish, if we dont, our dishes will never evolve again, but he says he will sprinkle some new seasoning on the current dishes, some you might like, some not (and apparently piss on one chicken dish (WHM) he's a weird chef, but i'm digressing), so as happy as chicken and beef guys are for their fish friend, dont you think they feel a bit f***ed over?

[Lokranas]

Snip

(english is not my main language so sorry)

To take your exemple:

But the chicken and beef guys got new things 2 years agos,and fish dude got nothing,and feeled f*** himself?


You seem to forget that heavensward added 1 tank,1 healer,and 1 ranged physical dps.
Physical dps and casters got nothing.

With this expansion they added the missings roles (physical dps and caster) so,now that all jobs are done,maybe next expansion you could see a new tank added

I agree that yoshi chosed his words poorly ,but it don't mean they will not add tank/healers in future expansions.

[Dualgunner]

(english is not my main language so sorry)

To take your exemple:

But the chicken and beef guys got new things 2 years agos,and fish dude got nothing,and feeled f*** himself?


You seem to forget that heavensward added 1 tank,1 healer,and 1 ranged physical dps.
Physical dps and casters got nothing.
With this expansion they added the missings roles (physical dps and caster) so,now that all jobs are done,maybe next expansion you could see a new tank added

inb4 "You can't separate DPS into categories of DPS!"

Sorry love, XIV itself already did. Look at the revamped character window and role skills, separated into "Tank", "Healer", "Melee", "Ranged", and "Caster".

We got a Tank, Healer, and Ranged in 3.0. Getting a Melee and Caster evens it all out for 4.0.

EDIT: This wasn't a response to the quote, just a good quote to use to spring into my post.

[SinisterJoints]

these threads come up every expansion, its comical

[RaijinSupreme]

"It will just last a few months" as an argument is showing such an obvious ignorance about todays gaming market and competitors, its baffling. Every expansion release for any MMO ever has been a test. There have been expansions that vastly grew their games, and expansions that killed them (looking at you, SWG) in no time flat.

If there are massive DPS queues for a few months, meaning during the time when returners and new players check out the game, just to find they will be waiting 30-60 minutes in order to progress through dungeons they NEED to do, this will hurt, A LOT.

And it will be blamed on the game, reviews everywhere will say the game has massive wait times (even though technically its just for DPS classes, who are, DRK aside, pretty much the coolest designs so far), people will flame, whine, demand changes, quit, and be generally toxic because they will lose hours of their gameplay time to this.

Within days, with 45 min wait queues, there will be posts demanding you take out instanced zones, pressure to reduce the number of needed healers/tanks in 8-mans or increase DPS slots in 4-mans, and this will NOT even out in the long run, because it NEVER has been the case in the historiy of MMOs. Bad launches stay with you forever, as ESPECIALLY FFXIV should show.

Woosh! Wow, saving this post.

[Rizvu]

Snipperoonie.

I mean, yeah that's a fair point, but let me try and put this in my perspective and yours;

Mine; DPS is split into subcategories, same with healers and tanks; tanks are either mitigators, offtanks or a mix of both, healers are prevention based and reaction based. dps; ranged, caster, melee right? so you could be condescending and say "inb4 "you can't separate DPS into categories of DPS" " but that's still the case. What does a tank do? he tanks, what does a healer do? he heals, what does a caster do? DPS, what does a melee do? DPS, what does a ranged physical do? DPS.
It's separated into subcategories because what type of DPS they do is relevant, but the overall theme is still; tank, healer, DPS.

Yours; subcategories count! okay so now we've balanced the numbers right? we got 3 tanks, cool! we got 3 healers, cool! we got 3 casters, cool! we got 2 ranged physical, cooool...? and we got 4 melee, wait what?