Who is jumping ship once they start charging in November?

[Wynn]

His opinion is in the majority. The few hundred thousand subs that haven't returned agree with him.

It doesn't matter if the majority of people out there think the game is bad. As far as subscriptions go, those people do not have a voice here. They aren't playing and wouldn't be impacted whether or not sub fees are reinstated.

Here, in the current game's community (READ: people who actually play) his opinion is most certainly in the minority and that is all that matters regarding the topic as we are the only ones impacted by a subscription. Thus this invisible majority you guys keep citing means jack diddly.

[Physic]

It doesn't matter if the majority of people out there think the game is bad. As far as subscriptions go, those people do not have a voice here. They aren't playing and wouldn't be impacted whether or not sub fees are reinstated.

Here, in the current game's community (READ: people who actually play) his opinion is most certainly in the minority and that is all that matters regarding the topic as we are the only ones impacted by a subscription. Thus this invisible majority you guys keep citing means jack diddly.

the theory on who should matter is partially accurate, whereas, yes the people not playing dont decide everything, The are hoping to get more people to play, rather than just what is available now. So i think those people are a factor, though i do agree that a decent portion of them would not pay or simply have little to no interest.

They key is to figure out who are the people who would play and give some profit. people who want to play for free arent really that relevant, and people who wouldnt play nomatter what are also irrelvant.

But really they arent helping themselves in anyway by making it free, so they probably wont. The people who dont enjoy the game now or think its not worth it yet, though they may be upset about it, are best served by not playing yet. It will make the content they add later a lot more enjoyable when they can see it all at once. For the people who enjoy it now, they get to continue to enjoy it and get more enjoyment out of smaller updates.

bottom line, if you dont like the game right now, you shouldnt pay for it, maybe later you will. Maybe you will forget about it, but i think having to play a game you dont enjoy much would piss you off more in the long term.

[Wynn]

They key is to figure out who are the people who would play and give some profit. people who want to play for free arent really that relevant, and people who wouldnt play nomatter what are also irrelvant.

This is absolutely correct and also my point. The people who aren't even playing now when the game is still free, because the game is awful in their eyes, aren't going to suddenly come back because SE says "ok, we'll keep it free." They aren't playing for a reason. Whether or not SE turns back on sub fees is irrelevant as far as that goes.

Now when the game gets its 2.0 rerelease, those people that come back will suddenly be relevant again. Until that time, it is those of us still here that matter, nobody else. If the majority of us here are supportive of SE's announcement, they have no reason not to start charging again. We were the only people they were going to receive fees from for the next year anyway.

The entire debate is pointless anyway. People that truly feel this game is not worth their money will simply leave until they feel it does. Every one of us still here has that choice.

The only real reason anyone could possibly have to continue to contest this is simply because they want to continue to play for free. The rest is just subterfuge.

[Blarp]

It doesn't matter if the majority of people out there think the game is bad. As far as subscriptions go, those people do not have a voice here. They aren't playing and wouldn't be impacted whether or not sub fees are reinstated.

Here, in the current game's community (READ: people who actually play) his opinion is most certainly in the minority and that is all that matters regarding the topic as we are the only ones impacted by a subscription. Thus this invisible majority you guys keep citing means jack diddly.

Someone said that his opinion was in the minority. Within the FFXIV community it is. In the larger MMO community (the one that will eventually matter), his opinion is in the majority. I was only pointing it out. The sub fee is relevant to people other than current players. There are plenty of people (the majority), including gaming media, still following the game.

[Wynn]

Someone said that his opinion was in the minority. Within the FFXIV community it is. In the larger MMO community (the one that will eventually matter), his opinion is in the majority. I was only pointing it out. The sub fee is relevant to people other than current players. There are plenty of people (the majority), including gaming media, still following the game.

The bolded part is the key word. Right now, they don't matter one lick. They aren't playing right now. If they were, they'd be in these forums expressing their opinion on the sub fee, not some fan site. They can't log in here because they haven't played, uninstalled XIV, burned their disks, whatever. Those people haven't even seen how this game has changed to even form an educated opinion.

[Blarp]

The bolded part is the key word. Right now, they don't matter one lick. They aren't playing right now. If they were, they'd be in these forums expressing their opinion on the sub fee, not some fan site. They can't log in here because they haven't played, uninstalled XIV, burned their disks, whatever. Those people haven't even seen how this game has changed to even form an educated opinion.

But they do matter. Perception matters. Why do you think SE is planning to market this game again at E3? Why would Naoki Yoshida be doing all of these interviews with almost every media outlet? Do you think it's for the people currently playing? No. SE is looking ahead. The fanbase is not since potential customers "don't matter one lick."

[Betelgeuzah]

But they do matter. Perception matters. Why do you think SE is planning to market this game again at E3? Why would Naoki Yoshida be doing all of these interviews with almost every media outlet? Do you think it's for the people currently playing? No. SE is looking ahead. The fanbase is not since potential customers "don't matter one lick."

The subject is sub fees. Nobody is saying SE is ignoring everyone else. Everybody is telling you that when it comes to subs from December this year to launch of 2.0, these people don't matter. SE can keep being interviewed and marketing all he wants, it has nothing to do with the sub fee.

[Wynn]

But they do matter. Perception matters. Why do you think SE is planning to market this game again at E3? Why would Naoki Yoshida be doing all of these interviews with almost every media outlet? Do you think it's for the people currently playing? No. SE is looking ahead. The fanbase is not since potential customers "don't matter one lick."

Charging for the game now is hardly going to change the perception of people who refuse to play the game even when it is free.

[Zanfire]

Charging for the game now is hardly going to change the perception of people who refuse to play the game even when it is free.

nope, its only going to hurt the current playerbase.

[Wynn]

nope, its only going to hurt the current playerbase.

And that brings us back to the poll here, done by active players, and the reaction in game by real players. Which indicates the impact will be minimal. Not to mention, as far as SE is concerned they can keep those people around and foot the bill to keep them, or start charging and bring in some revenue from people willing to pay, which IS the majority here. So what do you think they are going to choose to do? Actually, I should say why do you think they decided to do what they are going to do?

See how this mary-go-round works?