Who is jumping ship once they start charging in November?

[deathsite]

TBH am not sure if i will stay the end game doesn't look that good but i still want to try it

[Betelgeuzah]

WoW also has almost 60% of market share. Why not use the relevant demographic? You're talking about the population of the world? Do I really need to point out why that's dumb?

The "relevant demographic" is the demographic that is affected by a sub fee.

The few hundred thousand subs that haven't returned aren't part of the "relevant demographic", because they in no shape or form are affected by the fee.

So, if you want to talk about demographics that don't matter, let's go all the way and use the whole world.

[Blarp]

The "relevant demographic" is the demographic that is affected by a sub fee.

The few hundred thousand subs that haven't returned aren't part of the "relevant demographic", because they in no shape or form are affected by the fee.

So, if you want to talk about demographics that don't matter, let's go all the way and use the whole world.

His opinion is that the game isn't worth paying for. His opinion happens to be in the majority. That's all I was saying.

[Wynn]

His opinion is in the majority. The few hundred thousand subs that haven't returned agree with him.

It doesn't matter if the majority of people out there think the game is bad. As far as subscriptions go, those people do not have a voice here. They aren't playing and wouldn't be impacted whether or not sub fees are reinstated.

Here, in the current game's community (READ: people who actually play) his opinion is most certainly in the minority and that is all that matters regarding the topic as we are the only ones impacted by a subscription. Thus this invisible majority you guys keep citing means jack diddly.

[Jennestia]

His opinion is that the game isn't worth paying for. His opinion happens to be in the majority. That's all I was saying.

The majority weren't playing because the game itself had a bad foundation, which was true while the game was free for a year. They didn't leave because they had to pay, they left because the game was a broken mess. The "majority" who would leave now are generally the people who didn't even play/barely played or still wanted the game to be F2P because if you remember a lot of arguments from said people they stated even "FFXIV 2.0" is still only a "right step forward but still not worth paying for".

As someone said, if you compare those who play in-game versus the forum, there's no where near as much negativity regarding the game.

For example, on the forums people say crafting is the 'worst grind ever', yet stepping into Ul`dah all I see and hear next to the music is crafting sounds as well as emotes.

It's the majority of the specific forum community that says they will or will not pay, not the majority who play the game since not everyone uses the forums, for example if you combine poll results, they aren't anywhere the 30,000k it was "stated" to be the current population of XIV.

[Betelgeuzah]

His opinion is that the game isn't worth paying for. His opinion happens to be in the majority. That's all I was saying.

And so is mine, since you put it into such basics. That's all I was saying.

I think that WoW isn't worth a sub fee. My opinion is in the majority because 7 billion minus 12 million people agree with me, plus few dogs.

Glad we agree.

[Physic]

It doesn't matter if the majority of people out there think the game is bad. As far as subscriptions go, those people do not have a voice here. They aren't playing and wouldn't be impacted whether or not sub fees are reinstated.

Here, in the current game's community (READ: people who actually play) his opinion is most certainly in the minority and that is all that matters regarding the topic as we are the only ones impacted by a subscription. Thus this invisible majority you guys keep citing means jack diddly.

the theory on who should matter is partially accurate, whereas, yes the people not playing dont decide everything, The are hoping to get more people to play, rather than just what is available now. So i think those people are a factor, though i do agree that a decent portion of them would not pay or simply have little to no interest.

They key is to figure out who are the people who would play and give some profit. people who want to play for free arent really that relevant, and people who wouldnt play nomatter what are also irrelvant.

But really they arent helping themselves in anyway by making it free, so they probably wont. The people who dont enjoy the game now or think its not worth it yet, though they may be upset about it, are best served by not playing yet. It will make the content they add later a lot more enjoyable when they can see it all at once. For the people who enjoy it now, they get to continue to enjoy it and get more enjoyment out of smaller updates.

bottom line, if you dont like the game right now, you shouldnt pay for it, maybe later you will. Maybe you will forget about it, but i think having to play a game you dont enjoy much would piss you off more in the long term.

[Blarp]

It doesn't matter if the majority of people out there think the game is bad. As far as subscriptions go, those people do not have a voice here. They aren't playing and wouldn't be impacted whether or not sub fees are reinstated.

Here, in the current game's community (READ: people who actually play) his opinion is most certainly in the minority and that is all that matters regarding the topic as we are the only ones impacted by a subscription. Thus this invisible majority you guys keep citing means jack diddly.

Someone said that his opinion was in the minority. Within the FFXIV community it is. In the larger MMO community (the one that will eventually matter), his opinion is in the majority. I was only pointing it out. The sub fee is relevant to people other than current players. There are plenty of people (the majority), including gaming media, still following the game.

[Wynn]

They key is to figure out who are the people who would play and give some profit. people who want to play for free arent really that relevant, and people who wouldnt play nomatter what are also irrelvant.

This is absolutely correct and also my point. The people who aren't even playing now when the game is still free, because the game is awful in their eyes, aren't going to suddenly come back because SE says "ok, we'll keep it free." They aren't playing for a reason. Whether or not SE turns back on sub fees is irrelevant as far as that goes.

Now when the game gets its 2.0 rerelease, those people that come back will suddenly be relevant again. Until that time, it is those of us still here that matter, nobody else. If the majority of us here are supportive of SE's announcement, they have no reason not to start charging again. We were the only people they were going to receive fees from for the next year anyway.

The entire debate is pointless anyway. People that truly feel this game is not worth their money will simply leave until they feel it does. Every one of us still here has that choice.

The only real reason anyone could possibly have to continue to contest this is simply because they want to continue to play for free. The rest is just subterfuge.

[Wynn]

Someone said that his opinion was in the minority. Within the FFXIV community it is. In the larger MMO community (the one that will eventually matter), his opinion is in the majority. I was only pointing it out. The sub fee is relevant to people other than current players. There are plenty of people (the majority), including gaming media, still following the game.

The bolded part is the key word. Right now, they don't matter one lick. They aren't playing right now. If they were, they'd be in these forums expressing their opinion on the sub fee, not some fan site. They can't log in here because they haven't played, uninstalled XIV, burned their disks, whatever. Those people haven't even seen how this game has changed to even form an educated opinion.