Is it just me or are people overreacting to WHM too soon?

[kattzkitti]

It's amusing when people who are very obviously casual players (nothing wrong with being a casual player, games are about having fun after all) try to act like they have any grounds in the debate about WHM in 4.x. The job will probably be fine in the story content and whatnot, but it is very obviously a dead job for Savage/Extreme content and beyond. Anyone who actually does that content can see that with but a single glance at the new buttons and mechanics of the job.

[SaitoHikari]

Here's that stream recording of myself on WHM. The amount of times I end up casting Cure I/II in both dungeons are probably somewhere in the single digits. In the first run, I use a couple casts to trigger Divine Veil rather than actually casting it for the healing. (And ignore the second half of the video, that's just me screwing around as a Bard.)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/149226710

My reaction speed as a WHM isn't as sharp as it used to be... The last time I probably played WHM was a full month ago.

Admittedly, the amount of times I have to cast Cure I/II is drastically cut down by the amount of Holy stuns I inflict. Holy isn't just a nuke, it's a defensive measure too, the stuns prevent standard mobs from going after other party members with AoEs. It's far more efficient to Holy stun the Blazes than using two Medica/II to heal the party-wide damage afterwards.

And this goes into why the lily system as it currently is may as well just be ignored entirely in most situations during SB.

It's amusing when people who are very obviously casual players (nothing wrong with being a casual player, games are about having fun after all) try to act like they have any grounds in the debate about WHM in 4.x. The job will probably be fine in the story content and whatnot, but it is very obviously a dead job for Savage/Extreme content and beyond. Anyone who actually does that content can see that with but a single glance at the new buttons and mechanics of the job.

And once again, while I agree with your overall message, THIS IS NOT A FREAKING HARDCORE VS CASUAL argument. This crap affects EVERYONE.

[MomomiMomi]

Did you really just insinuate that casuals have no say in this subject? Just because someone's not a hardcore raider doesn't mean they can't be upset if the job is no longer fun to play.

Your response does not follow. They are speaking of the casual people who think it's fine, because casuals are less likely to care. They're probably going to play the job anyway whether the job is good or not. So them defending it saying " the sky isn't falling" doesn't exactly count because their view is one of not caring. Thing is, the sky is falling, they just don't care if it falls.

[kattzkitti]

And once again, while I agree with your overall message, THIS IS NOT A FREAKING HARDCORE VS CASUAL argument. This crap affects EVERYONE.

Except it really doesn't. There isn't going to be much change to non-Savage/Extreme content in the way the job plays. You're still just going to hit Medica II with a Regen on the tank, then pop Holy or Aero into Stone depending on the pull size. Meanwhile, in Savage/Extreme content, the WHM is objectively worse off for these changes... and they were already a job that was hated on in 3.x.

Did you really just insinuate that casuals have no say in this subject? Just because someone's not a hardcore raider doesn't mean they can't be upset if the job is no longer fun to play.

Refer to my response to the other quoted post.

[Khaidal]

Deleted the post. My apologies, Kattz Kitti, I took it out of context.

[Abriael]

Is it just me or are people overreacting to WHM too soon?

Yes, they are.

[Keridwyn]

Except it really doesn't. There isn't going to be much change to non-Savage/Extreme content in the way the job plays. You're still just going to hit Medica II with a Regen on the tank, then pop Holy or Aero into Stone depending on the pull size. Meanwhile, in Savage/Extreme content, the WHM is objectively worse off for these changes... and they were already a job that was hated on in 3.x.

I'm about as casual as it gets and I'm going to feel the loss of stoneskin and am peeved that I now must pray to RNGesus to pull off two of my new skills. Learning to play with the new changes shouldn't equal ignoring them.

[kattzkitti]

I'm about as casual as it gets and I'm going to feel the loss of stoneskin and am peeved that I now must pray to RNGesus to pull off two of my new skills. Learning to play with the new changes shouldn't equal ignoring them.

MCHs the world wide laugh at your complaint about RNG for skills that aren't even going to be primary casts. Yes, I'm just poking fun at you, don't take it seriously.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Well, I'll probably jump to a hasty conclusion, but I'll say that WHM will be very viable in solo-healing content like the did back in the times of ARR (looks at the videos of ARR EX Primal solo heals, with most being WHMs).

[Paladinleeds]

Well, I'll probably jump to a hasty conclusion, but I'll say that WHM will be very viable in solo-healing content like the did back in the times of ARR (looks at the videos of ARR EX Primal solo heals, with most being WHMs).

Apparently not. From what I'm getting, for solo-healing, AST will be stronger. I could be misinterpreting but that's what I'm hearing.