Alternative solution to glamour log

[Arutan]

Because they are coded differently, being different games, designed to support different platforms. It's pretty amazing that this needs to be explained.

What I meant is that they keep using the excuse of data transfer and the mount of data it represents. They probably don't use engines older than WoW, so if WoW can do it then they can.

[Abriael]

What I meant is that they keep using the excuse of data transfer and the mount of data it represents. They probably don't use engines older than WoW, so if WoW can do it then they can.

And what I meant is that you have zero evidence to allege that it's an "excuse" or "false" in any shape or form.

Saying " if WoW can do it then they can" is a gross oversimplification completely blind to the reality of developing a complex game like a MMORPG, even more so on multiple platforms and with different features.

[Hamada]

BS excuses, wow does it, runscape does it, a 15 YEAR OLD GAME!! does it. We need to have a different way of storing items.

I am so sick of hearing hackers this hackers that when they allow (still do, still see the same old bots I noticed in 3.2) gather bots to play despite numerous reports from different people.

Remove retainers holding items, remove retainers putting items on the market bard, letretainers be venture only. Give us a REAL item storage so we are not dealing with slow af menus and trying to talk to 8 different places for our items. I am sure that will help this "server load" they just upgraded servers and they still can't handle a glam log? what a joke, double all retainer inv if they can't do anything to remove the bloat. So sick of hearing "we can't do that" DO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR INVENTORY ISSUES!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...space-increase

I made a huge thread on different ideas they can take to help us deal with inventory management and menu bloats.

And what I meant is that you have zero evidence to allege that it's an "excuse" or "false" in any shape or form.

Saying " if WoW can do it then they can" is a gross oversimplification completely blind to the reality of developing a complex game like a MMORPG, even more so on multiple platforms and with different features.

Making us have item bloat so we spend more on retainers while giving out excuses.

[Berethos]

BS excuses, wow does it

WoW uses a different game engine. That alone means how they approach implementing it isn't going to be a direct comparison.

By the way, it took 4.5 years after the addition of transmog (added in December 2011) to WoW for their appearance catalog to actually be implemented (added in July 2016), despite it being pretty much a day one request as a response (their original approach was Void Storage as a way of holding on to gear you wanted to use for glamour).

That alone should indicate that it is not a simple thing to add to a game that doesn't already have it, if it took longer than this version of this game has been around for them to add an appearance catalog.

Additionally, the answer isn't "We're not doing it" it's "We have concerns and there will be challenges to it" so all ya'll freakouts need to sit down and chill out.

[Hamada]

WoW uses a different game engine. That alone means how they approach implementing it isn't going to be a direct comparison.
By the way, it took almost five years after the addition of transmog to WoW for their appearance catalog to actually be implemented, despite it being pretty much a day one request as a response (their original approach was Void Storage as a way of holding on to gear you wanted to use for glamour).

That alone should indicate that it is not a simple thing to add to a game that doesn't already have it, if it took longer than this version of this game has been around for them to add an appearance catalog.

Additionally, the answer isn't "We're not doing it" it's "We have concerns and there will be challenges to it" so all ya'll freakouts need to sit down and chill out.

We did not get an inventory fix all of HW, and now we are entering SB with out one. (All they did was keep adding items to fill our retainers with for HW, more and more rare nodes, etc) I have a huge list what they can do to help, they are not trying, they just want to overcharge us for retainers. When asked about it, all they do is joke about adding more retainers for us to pay for.

[Berethos]

We did not get an inventory fix all of HW, and now we are entering SB with out one. (All they did was keep adding items to fill our retainers with for HW, more and more rare nodes, etc) I have a huge list what they can do to help, they are not trying, they just want to overcharge us for retainers. When asked about it, all they do is joke about adding more retainers for us to pay for.

We're talking about glamour logs and I'm specifically talking about how it's both not an easy addition for any game to do and how they (despite the gloom and doom of the OP) did not say they aren't doing it, not your pet thread about retainer space.

[Abriael]

We did not get an inventory fix all of HW, and now we are entering SB with out one. (All they did was keep adding items to fill our retainers with for HW, more and more rare nodes, etc) I have a huge list what they can do to help, they are not trying, they just want to overcharge us for retainers. When asked about it, all they do is joke about adding more retainers for us to pay for.

What you don't seem to understand is that your "huge list" is absolutely meaningless without knowing how the game is coded, limitations on all platforms, and how the database is structured. All your solutions aren't really solutions. They're no more than suggestions from someone with an extremely limited viewpoint on the game, and you have zero idea of their applicability.

Basically, you're an armchair developer who pretends he knows what he's talking about using completely unrelated examples to throw around unsubstantiated accusations of using "excuses."

http://www.codingwisdom.com/codingwi...ss-me-off.html

[Ama_Hamada]

What you don't seem to understand is that your "huge list" is absolutely meaningless without knowing how the game is coded, limitations on all platforms, and how the database is structured. All your solutions aren't really solutions. They're no more than suggestions from someone with an extremely limited viewpoint on the game, and you have zero idea of their applicability.

Basically, you're an armchair developer who pretends he knows what he's talking about using completely unrelated examples to throw around unsubstantiated accusations of using "excuses."

http://www.codingwisdom.com/codingwi...ss-me-off.html

They are using excuses so they can get away with overcharging people with retainer rental, all it is. Lets blindly accept everything they do because coding is hard, the only thing that is useless here is the link you gave. These forums are for suggestions and lets players have a voice, not for toxic people like you or Berethos that have an objective to put people down.

[Abriael]

They are using excuses so they can get away with overcharging people with retainer rental, all it is. Lets blindly accept everything they do because coding is hard, the only thing that is useless here is the link you gave. These forums are for suggestions and lets players have a voice, not for toxic people like you or Berethos that have an objective to put people down.

There is a large difference between offering constructive suggestions with a shred of respect, and demanding one's "solutions" (devised with zero knowledge of the game's back end) to be implemented, while accusing of lying, giving excuses and similar not-so-nice antics if they aren't.

Before you call anyone else "toxic," you may want to learn that difference.

In the meanwhile, I'll let you into a little secret to help you out. "toxic" doesn't mean "they disagree with my opinion" nor it means "they disagree with the somewhat popular opinion." On the other hand, throwing "feedback" in form of demands, sprinkled with abundant unsubstantiated accusations and seething negativity if those demands aren't met... that does fit the definition of "toxic" basically to a T.

[Ama_Hamada]

There is a large difference between offering constructive suggestions with a shred of respect, and demanding one's "solutions" (devised with zero knowledge of the game's back end) to be implemented, while accusing of lying, giving excuses and similar not-so-nice antics if they aren't.Before you call anyone else "toxic," you may want to learn that difference.

In the meanwhile, I'll let you into a little secret to help you out. "toxic" doesn't mean "they disagree with my opinion" nor it means "they disagree with the somewhat popular opinion." On the other hand, throwing "feedback" in form of demands, sprinkled with abundant unsubstantiated accusations and seething negativity if those demands aren't met... that does fit the definition of "toxic" basically to a T.

follow your own advice?

What you don't seem to understand is that your "huge list" is absolutely meaningless without knowing how the game is coded, limitations on all platforms, and how the database is structured. All your solutions aren't really solutions. They're no more than suggestions from someone with an extremely limited viewpoint on the game, and you have zero idea of their applicability.

Basically, you're an armchair developer who pretends he knows what he's talking about using completely unrelated examples to throw around unsubstantiated accusations of using "excuses."

http://www.codingwisdom.com/codingwi...ss-me-off.html

How is my list so different then this thread? Why are you attacking me for no reason? Yes you are being toxic to me, I am not being toxic to you, nor anyone, i was attacked first for no reason.

respect works 2 ways, they had all HW to do or even say something and have done neither but say "we can't" so yes that is just excuses at this point, do not be shocked when people begin to be frustrated. So if you want to call my list useless, your posts so far have been useless.