Puppetmaster Job for Final Fantasy XIV (2. Job for PUG)

[Kazrah]

Fancy, but there are three major flaws.

The biggest one is that according to Yoshi, base classes are being removed by 5.0, meaning that the PUG approach kinda goes out the window. Sure, there could be some possible lore connection between it and monk, but the branch job concept not only won't happen again, but will eventually be guaranteed not to work again.

The second flaw is that in order to create another pet job, the current pet control system must be fixed. MCH gave an answer of the totem-style "set it and forget it" system, but this probably won't cut it for a job like Puppetmaster.

Lastly, as proven multiple times now, just because something was one way in FFXI doesn't mean it has to be the same way in FFXI. In fact, that's usually a good thing.

[KisaiTenshi]

Fancy, but there are three major flaws.

The biggest one is that according to Yoshi, base classes are being removed by 5.0, ...

You are missing the simple point of my post. It would have to be a Job not tied to a class and its own unique skillset. I am not discouraging PUP in XIV at all.

Hey everyone who isn't reading the thread... we've moved past this shared class idea on page 2, keep up. If the OP wants to edit the title of the thread that would be helpful.

Throw that class system away, it's dead, buried.

The way I see a Puppeteer/Puppetmaster system working is either in:
a) They can summon ONE puppet of any class they already have at level 30+ or is in the party and do "mimic", hence access to the main DPS and Utility skill of those, but don't use MP or TP, just have a meter for how fast they cast before overheating and a different puppet needs to be switched in.

b) They can summon a group of puppets of any class set, each additional puppet cuts the "Control" (heatometer) meter by the additional puppet. So if you bring in 3 Tanks and 2 DPS puppets, each puppet will have 1/5th the control bar. Once a puppet is destroyed it can't be resummoned until a CD ends. Or a puppet can be dismissed before it's destroyed and have a shorter CD. Each puppet has a minimum of one skill. Level 30 will have only I, Level 50 will have II, Level 60 will have III and Level 70 will have IV versions of the skills.

In either case, play balance is an issue, since in A it acts as a kind of wildcard, where as in B it's more like the "Lord of Verminion" game. If you are forced to only use DPS puppets, the other puppets will never be used except in solo play, thus having the same "not using all the tools in the toolbox" argument.

If no puppets are summoned, the player defaults to PUG-style animations with "unaspected kick/punch", and "repair puppet" actions. Essentially the same as not using skills on any other role.



At any rate, another solution entirely is to just have more variety of puppets and pick jobs that was in FFV or FFX-2's dressphere's at pseudo-random (eg summon a DPS puppet at random from a pre-selected list) and all the puppets are unlocked through the job storyline. Like instead of "summon a puppet" it's "change puppet's costume"

From FFX-2:
Gunner
Thief
Warrior
Songstress
Black Mage
White Mage
Gun Mage
Alchemist
Dark Knight
Samurai
Lady Luck (Gambler)
Berserker
Trainer (Beastmaster)
Mascot (in FFX-2 this was Moogle, Cactaur and Cait Sith)
Festivalist
Psychic
Freelancer (default)

Freelancer is the "no skills, just punch and kick"

From FFV:

(DPS Melee)
Knight
Dragoon
Samurai
Mystic Knight
Berserker
Monk

(DPS Caster)
White Mage
Black Mage
Time Mage
Summoner
Blue Mage
Red Mage

(Utility)
Thief
Ninja
Ranger
Beastmaster
Chemist
Geomancer
Bard
Dancer

(Special)
Gladiator
Oracle
Cannoneer
Necromancer

Freelancer
Mime


Hence if you pick a "DPS clothes" for the puppet's clothes, it will switch to one these which have their own skills. Probably too much work for developers but hey, they put all that effort into the minion system, it seems like all that logic is already in the game and just looking for a way to use it in the dungeon without forcing players to hunt for minions.

[ReplicaX]

Hey everyone who isn't reading the thread... we've moved past this shared class idea on page 2, keep up.

The 2nd post of the thread killed off the shared class idea, keep up.