Consolidated White Mage 4.0 Feedback Thread

[KisaiTenshi]

Because the gameplay in FF14 encourages dpsing as a primary source of activity.

Millions of crafters cried out and were then repose'd.

No, the primary source of activity in the game is playing whatever class/job you have, if you are in a party then teamwork is necessary.

The problem as evident by the hardcore raiders on the forum taking issue with the changes, is that their own complaints have been used against them. "Make WHM more interesting", Yoshi-P agrees and makes healing more interesting. "Use all the tools in the toolbox", So now you have to use Cure I and Cure II like Yoshi-P believes everyone should be doing, and if you're not, you're not using all the tools in your toolbox.

The healers did not ask for more DPS. They asked for more utility. Yoshi-P wants every job to have some kind of unique thing to it, and thus far the Unique thing to WHM is that it's a healer, while the other two healers have utility from cards and pets. Players should want to take the WHM into raids because they heal the hard hitting damage.

But RNG-based game play is not terribly fun unless the goal from Yoshi-P was to get people to stop using "rotations" for everything. Consider Proc's bonuses not must-wait-for's.

[fantasticm]

blah blah blah

First off, are you seriously comparing crafting/gathering to combat? Please laugh.

I'm not sure how many times this needs to be said by so many different people for it to be understood. It is not only hardcore raiders that have issues with the changes. WHM's '''utility''' being able to heal "THE HARD HITTING DAMAGE" is NOT utility. Both SCH and AST both need to be able to heal The Hard Hitting Damage in order for SCH/AST combo to be viable. If SCH and AST couldn't keep up with damage as compared to WHM, then they wouldn't be viable! And they would be the ones on the forums calling bullshit. All three jobs can already do their jobs just fine, but only WHM is unable to bring anything more to the table. All they got were more heals, and RNG based heals at that. WHM already healed perfectly fine, why do they need more (crappier) healing spells? How is this so hard for you to understand?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

How is this so hard for you to understand?

Because Kisai is either a troll or so shockingly arrogant, she cannot even begin to process her concept of how healing works may be wrong. Keep in mind, this is someone decked out in ilvl 180 gear. She hasn't even seen the content she's been prattling on about, much less cleared it.

[fantasticm]

Because Kisai is either a troll or so shockingly arrogant, she cannot even begin to process her concept of how healing works may be wrong. Keep in mind, this is someone decked out in ilvl 180 gear. She hasn't even seen the content she's been prattling on about, much less cleared it.

I think I want to lean towards troll, as I started to have my suspicions when she said 'stoneskin is a skill no one ever uses because the tanks just run off or it falls off in one hit anyway.' Forget level 60 in i180 gear, a level 34 WHM would know that's not right...

[Ama_Hamada]

First off, are you seriously comparing crafting/gathering to combat? Please laugh.

I'm not sure how many times this needs to be said by so many different people for it to be understood. It is not only hardcore raiders that have issues with the changes. WHM's '''utility''' being able to heal "THE HARD HITTING DAMAGE" is NOTutility. Both SCH and AST both need to be able to heal The Hard Hitting Damage in order for SCH/AST combo to be viable. If SCH and AST couldn't keep up with damage as compared to WHM, then they wouldn't be viable! And they would be the ones on the forums calling bullshit. All three jobs can already do their jobs just fine, but only WHM is unable to bring anything more to the table. All they got were more heals, and RNG based heals at that. WHM already healed perfectly fine, why do they need more (crappier) healing spells? How is this so hard for you to understand?

Want to know why KisaiTenshi did not respond to this

This was covered by Skyrior.

Wait what? where? i wanna see toll eating troll, lol

[fantasticm]

Want to know why KisaiTenshi did not respond to this

Kisai doesn't respond to any valid criticisms to her arguments. Her counterpoints are as dead as the job she tries to defend.

Press F to pay respects.

[Ama_Hamada]

Kisai doesn't respond to any valid criticisms to her arguments. Her counterpoints are as dead as the job she tries to defend.

Press F to pay respects.

and yet I had a post on that:

Well this is fitting for this thread:

also see my edit? have answer to it?

[AlphaSonic]

Worthless stuff

Have you thought that if WHM has so much healing and it's mandatory to use it then AST/SCH combo won't be able to be used in raids? And if AST/SCH are able to heal raids then WHM becomes worthless because it doesn't bring anything that AST/SCH can?

Nice trolling btw.

[KisaiTenshi]

Have you thought that if WHM has so much healing and it's mandatory to use it then AST/SCH combo won't be able to be used in raids? And if AST/SCH are able to heal raids then WHM becomes worthless because it doesn't bring anything that AST/SCH can?

Nice trolling btw.

Considering how frequently the hardcore raiders are saying WHM's must DPS, you'd think that the content wasn't hard. All the healers have to heal at exactly the same rate otherwise one becomes the "best" that everyone uses, and the other two are discarded.

If you take the time to read patch notes, you'll note that SE already penalizes lazy gameplay by having two of the same class/job in the party.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...d0980ac2b5a39c

2.0][3.0] In keeping with balance changes for certain dungeons and trials, the rate at which the Limit Break Gauge fills has been adjusted as follows:
Dungeons and trials accessible solo via the Duty Finder:
The Limit Break Gauge will no longer fill more slowly when multiple members of the same class/job are in the party.

Dungeons and trials requiring a full party to register via the Duty Finder:
The Limit Break Gauge will fill more slowly under the following conditions:

Three or more party members are playing as tanks.
Five or more party members are playing as DPS.
Three or more party members are playing as healers.
Two or more party members are playing the same class or job.

Class/job roles are as follows:
Tank: Gladiator / Marauder / Paladin / Warrior / Dark Knight
DPS: Pugilist / Lancer / Rogue / Monk / Dragoon / Ninja / Archer / Thaumaturge / Arcanist / Bard / Black Mage / Summoner / Machinist
Healer: Conjurer / White Mage / Scholar / Astrologian

There is always a penalty to not playing as Yoshi-P intended.

[Yallaid]

So now you have to use Cure I and Cure II like Yoshi-P believes everyone should be doing, and if you're not, you're not using all the tools in your toolbox.

If Yoshi-P believes this, WHY did he create Regen, Medica I, Medica II, Asylum, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Cure III and Assize.

Every one of those skills has a use that would make it preferable to Cure I or Cure II and now I'm asked to decide if one is worth casting instead of so many Cure spells and their potential Lily/Confession procs