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[Paladinleeds]

I'm skipping the 1/3 bit as I feel you have adequatedly addressed my concerns and feel no need to go further on those. We're at a point where we're singing from the same hymn sheet, so no need to press further. Though on point 2, regarding healer queues, while they're not instant, they certainly haven't felt that bad to me. Usually about 4-5 minutes (Odin, so Chaos datacentre like yourself). Perhaps I'm getting better luck, perhaps it's to do with the time of day we play? Who knows? I'll still respect your point about queues though. (Edit: For clarification, the point I'm trying to get across there is while my experiences have been different, I accept everyone has different experiences and thus I'm not trying to put down your own experiences, only offer mine as a comparison)

You are ignorant too. Maybe you arent aware of it, but you are. You dont know better. Im not an elitist whos expecting top dps. But I have all classes on 60, and trust me, some of them I hardly know how to play because I lvled them long time ago and didnt touch them since then. And I do better. Way better.

I'll openly admit I don't know everything. I was trying to work with the information I had been given. Now, the information you have given in the bottom paragraph gives me a much better picture of the situation and I'm coming to your viewpoint on that. Though I would like to add I wasn't saying you were wanting top DPS (if that's how I came across, then I apologise, blatantly bad wording on my part looking back. Kinda ironic given I recently dinged someone for going off on a rant that they had potentially phrasied badly right?), but rather more pointing out that I am possibly too laid back about it (I don't think I've ever once initiated a vote kick in Expert Roulette. Perhaps I'm inadvertently encouraging them because of it, by making it look like it's OK because I just take it?).

I suggest you get a parser if you arent on PS4 and go to a dummy and put EFFORT to play a class you dont know well decently. Do it for like 2 minutes and check your overall DPS. Then repeat the same thing again, but this time: only do a 1-2-3 combo. keep pushing those 3 buttons and then check your overall dps. After that: keep pressing ONLY the FIRST button of your 1-2-3 combo. thats right, spam that 1 button hard for a while. And note your DPS. then start running dungeons....and youll get to see dps classes regularly, doing LESS than what you did with spamming 1 button.

I'm on PC, but because of how the rules are, I'm very wary about a parser. I know that a lot of people don't get punished for it, just prefer not to take the risk. Perhaps I'm being over-cautious of the rules or reading them too deeply, but those are my personal thoughts? Nothing against those who do use parsers, just I feel I put my account at too great a risk personally to use one.

Theyre doing basically auto-attack and every once in a while they press 1.
Thats all theyre doing. I do double the amount of dps on a single target and 3-4 times as much on a pack AoE as a HEALER compared to those DPS.

I'll try to look out for that more. I appreciate you bringing that to my attention, though I will admit I've never seen it, possibly due to my lack of knowledge. I appreciate you bringing that to my attention though.

And there is one thing you need to understand: these players arent struggling. Theyre lazy. Pushing 1 button or even 3 has nothing to do with struggling. Stop giving them the benefit of doubt.a
The average roulette dps does 1400-1800 dps....ánd Id be the last person to kick those. They may not have the best rotation,but they actually are putting effort. The lazy ones stay below 1000.Like around 600-800 dps. There is absolutely no justification for this.

On this I agree. I'm not expecting 100% uptime or MLG level plays. Heck, I don't even mind someone being below average if they're struggling with the job and alert us to that. I'll also try and guide them as best as I can. But those that are being lazy like you said, is where it becomes a huge problem. It's one thing to be having trouble with the class (which inferring from your post, you don't have an issue with either), but when it comes to lazy players, that's a whole other ballgame. Even on autopilot I'm still getting something like 80-90% casting uptime on my Scholar (mostly DPS on bosses, with trash varying dependent on size of pull, tank gear, and other factors).