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    Quote Originally Posted by Greedalox View Post
    Nowadays I can think of way more examples of microtransactions under a subscription based model than not. Not putting weight to either side of the argument, but in recent years I feel the norm is microtransactions.
    UGH, I already bowed out of this conversation! :P

    Do you have any good examples? I can only really think of WoW, PlayStation Plus, Netflix, Hulu, Funimation, Crunchyroll, Microsoft Office, Magazine subscriptions. Of those, only WoW offers microtransactions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurie View Post
    UGH, I already bowed out of this conversation! :P

    Do you have any good examples? I can only really think of WoW, PlayStation Plus, Netflix, Hulu, Funimation, Crunchyroll, Microsoft Office, Magazine subscriptions. Of those, only WoW offers microtransactions.
    UGH! We're not all talking to you! Its not all about you!

    Note that Hulu offers Showtime access for an added fee.
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    I came back to the game after a long hiatus recently, and I'm kinda iffy on the cash shop situation.

    Don't get me wrong - it's not a question of not being able to afford it; I am fortunate that I have a well paying job and could spring for cash shop stuff if I wanted to purchase it.

    The question is one of principle... It seems like SE is starting to bump up the price on things but decrease value. Take Y'shtola's modish attire for example; it's $15 on cash shop right now iirc, but you get boots, pants, jacket, hair etc; then there's the new fuga attire which is $18 for a jacket and pants.

    I could see $10 being a fair price for this, but $18 is just a bit crazy.

    I've seen people try to counter our arguments with things like "You just want things for free!" and this isn't the case; we want value for money, and to not feel like we're being nickel and dimed.
    I also get that cash shop purchases are entirely optional, I don't think anyone has ever said that they are mandatory; that being said, we're still within our right to say "Hey guys, don't you think you can dial it back just a tad?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Rieze_Xeero View Post
    Note: I understand the OP and I too feel the outfits are overpriced. Welcome to the new age of gaming (I miss the old days were there are no DLCs or PreOrders) sigh~
    No kidding- It feels like I bought the hamburger, but now I feel like they're making us pay again for the fixings to go on it
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    Last edited by Nix; 05-31-2017 at 06:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nix View Post
    I could see $10 being a fair price for this, but $18 is just a bit crazy.
    Dan the Doodler draws doodles.
    He goes to market and draws his doodles for people want them
    He charges $5 for a doodle.
    He sells doodles all day long, one after another.
    The next day he goes to market again
    He charges $10 for his doodles.
    He sells doodles all day long, one after another
    The next day he goes to the market again
    He charges $15 for his doodles.
    He sells doodles all day long, one after another.
    Fredric the frugal walks up and says
    "Dan the doodler. $15 is too much for a doodle. It is not a fair price that people should have to pay for one your doodles"
    As Fredric the frugal talks, another customer comes up and pays $15 for one of the dan the doodler's doodles.
    Dan the doodler leaves.
    The next day he goes to market again
    He charges $20 for his doodles.
    He sells doodles all day long, one after the another
    Fredric the frugal approaches him and says "This has become far too much. $15 was too much for a doodle, but $20 is plainly unfair! Absurd! Dishonest! Shady! Corrupt!"
    As Fredric the frugal talks, another customer up and pays $20 for one of dan the doodler's doodles.
    Dan the doodler leaves.
    The next day he goes to market again
    He charges $25 for his doodles.
    He sells doodles all day long, one after another.
    Fredric the Frugal approaches yet again and says "Dan why do you not listen to me! These doodles are too expensive! They are not worth what you charge and you are being very unfair!"
    Another customer approaches and says "I would like one doodle please, here is your $25"
    Dan the doodler turns to Fredric the Frugal and says "I do not listen to you because I like what he says better" as he hands his customer a doodle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HPDelron View Post
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    I get what you're saying, and you could have said it in far fewer words! haha
    Still both points are valid: SE will charge what they want, and I (along with some others) will still think that the price tag does not match the product.

    As a quick edit; I don't think it'd bother me them selling the stuff at this price if it didn't feel like they were taking a step backward - there's other outfit packages that they are selling that come with much more, and even a hairstyle for less than what they are charging now for the fuga attire.
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    Last edited by Nix; 05-31-2017 at 08:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPDelron View Post
    The Delightfully Descriptive Drama of Dan the Doodler
    Fair point of course, but there's nothing wrong with saying why you might be a "Fredric the Frugal". The idea of this forum is to give feedback, yes?

    Voting with their wallets may be the most important thing (however ineffectual in the face of a less pensive market), but they still have every right to express their opinion; even if it does come across as just ineffectual complaining to some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZhaneX View Post
    Fair point of course, but there's nothing wrong with saying why you might be a "Fredric the Frugal". The idea of this forum is to give feedback, yes?

    Voting with their wallets may be the most important thing (however ineffectual in the face of a less pensive market), but they still have every right to express their opinion; even if it does come across as just ineffectual complaining to some.
    Certainly yes. I'd never say the Fredrics out there should "shut up" or that they shouldn't voice their opinion. However, likewise I have an opinion and I wish to express it. My opinion differs from theirs. This being a public discussion forum if somebody is expressing an opinion that differs from mine, I'll argue the point with them. Doesn't mean that they've not right to express what they're expressing or that the act of them expressing their opinions is in and of itself wrong. It just mean I disagree and... well you know...:
    https://xkcd.com/386/
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