Why are we wimps?

[Nanaya]

There will be plenty more job quests to do when the cap is raised. The entire idea is to start at the bottom, and become the Paragon of *insert class* Excellence your character was destined to be. The level 36 quest is likely just the halfway point at very best.

Just be glad you didn't do the Pugilist one. First quest has you picking up change thrown on the floor from some rich asshole who owed the guild money, second involves being used as a part of some conspiracy. I assume the 36 quest resolves this, because man is it unsatisfying being an errand boy.

[Azurus]

There will be plenty more job quests to do when the cap is raised. The entire idea is to start at the bottom, and become the Paragon of *insert class* Excellence your character was destined to be. The level 36 quest is likely just the halfway point at very best.

Just be glad you didn't do the Pugilist one. First quest has you picking up change thrown on the floor from some rich asshole who owed the guild money, second involves being used as a part of some conspiracy. I assume the 36 quest resolves this, because man is it unsatisfying being an errand boy.

Ya your probably right but my complaint also encompasses the main story as well. And just cause they have us starting at the bottom doesnt mean they cant have an epic quality to it. One that makes you actually care where everything is going. Like you said i hope it is just the beginning and the rest blows me away.

[Tonkra]

yes i understand a character must develope but here is my point, to use FFX as an example as well. Right from the start you are thrust in to this epic telling of a huge story of massive importance. Everything that is happening around you is epic and makes you feel like you are in for one hell of a ride. The quests dont give me that kind of a feeling. "Go to this tower and kill a bunch of rats!" doesnt make you actually care about the story. I guess what I'm saying is the hook needs to be stronger.

well an other example i do remember Final Fantasy 8 ..you cant say at first that you play an important role first as "Squall"... you are first a typical student of the balamb garden.. your first "real" mission is to do a silly "patrol" on this island. where we all and all get slowly more driven into the story.

Offline rpgs are much more story driven than MMorpgs...

MMorpgs are more drawn into the lenght than singleplayer games. because Online rpgs entertain also with group gameplay, crafting and so on. an Offline Final Fantasy keeps the gamers only playing to give one story highlight after an other.

There's a pretty big discrepancy, though. Even by level 25 in FFXI we were out saving children and killing dragons. Sure, we weren't god-slaying yet, but we clearly stood out as people who would someday have the potential to. We're at Rank 36~50 and we're not even clearly BETTER THAN ANYONE yet. I'm not saying we should be out there trumping the company leaders in combat but... idk... maybe like, beating up more than a goat ... would be nice... something people will actually cheer on.
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ah and when do i kill dragons with lv 25 in FF11 again? ;XD

ah ok so beating ifrit, as a primal (god) is something that can do any idiot? aussum conclusion.
i know what you want to do with lv 45 saving Eorzea from the garlean empire.. and kicking with one fingersnip the lv 90 "judges" into the abyss while you are for sure only lv 50...

its that what you want? and then what do you want to do with lv 75 eh?
i dont get it.

[Azurus]

ah and when do i kill dragons with lv 25 in FF11 again? ;XD

ah ok so beating ifrit, as a primal (god) is something that can do any idiot? aussum conclusion.
i know what you want to do with lv 45 saving Eorzea from the garlean empire.. and kicking with one fingersnip the lv 90 "judges" into the abyss.

its that what you want? and then what do you want to do with lv 75 eh?

Actually you kill a dragon during your rank 3 quest which is done around 25

[Anonymoose]

Actually you kill a dragon during your rank 3 quest which is done around 25

Correct!

And no; I don't want to save Eorzea from the Empire or beat down Van Darnus yet. I just want to fight something where the outcome of the battle makes people say something other than, "HEY, HE'S NOT DEAD!" The company quests have helped this a LITTLE. I beat up a crowd once, sealed up a hold into the void by dropkicking a demon, and beat up an already weakened Ifrit (didn't bother with Hard Mode). However, as for quests and the main storyline, our true identity, not our patriotism, has racked up the following as their highest achievements by the 33% mark:

Lancer: Stab an (1) elemental.
Gladiator: Wound (1) homeless Ala Mhiagan
Pugilist: Punch (2) mages (one with each fist?)
Archer: Make an archer who is having a bad day have a worse day after he can't even outrun you because he's surrounded.
Marauder: Not get killed.
Thaumaturge: Roast a lalafell (Okay, this one's not so bad. I guess. She had a bad attitude).
Conjurer: Drown three dogs (What is this, the NFL?)

Main Story: Not get outrun by three imperials, not get shot by juggernaut, escape with life intact.

[Tonkra]

Correct!

And no; I don't want to save Eorzea from the Empire or beat down Van Darnus yet. I just want to fight something where the outcome of the battle makes people say something other than, "HEY, HE'S NOT DEAD!" The company quests have helped this a LITTLE. I beat up a crowd once, sealed up a hold into the void by dropkicking a demon, and beat up an already weakened Ifrit (didn't bother with Hard Mode). However, as for quests and the main storyline, our true identity, not our patriotism, has racked up the following as their highest achievements by the 33% mark:

Lancer: Stab an (1) elemental.
Gladiator: Wound (1) homeless Ala Mhiagan
Pugilist: Punch (2) mages (one with each fist?)
Archer: Make an archer who is having a bad day have a worse day after he can't even outrun you because he's surrounded.
Marauder: Not get killed.
Thaumaturge: Roast a lalafell (Okay, this one's not so bad. I guess. She had a bad attitude).
Conjurer: Drown three dogs (What is this, the NFL?)

Main Story: Not get outrun by three imperials, not get shot by juggernaut, escape with life intact.

Actually you kill a dragon during your rank 3 quest which is done around 25

yes and with lv 30! you compete against a primal god for the first time. woush.

i mean only this part, when entering the ifrit instance...dead people fall out the rift... the old elezen says "not again... no one ever successed in defeating ifrit" (oh well sure you didnt read it)... doesnt give you an "wow i'm such a hero" feeling when you're going to defeat ifrit as a primal god? aha

the end of the cutscene gives me an epic moment "wow that garlean knight has so much power... im not ready yet to beat him"


I dont get it!
What do you want? is it like in WoW "Here you have your golden shiny-glowing-in-all-colors-armor".. for everybody to see you're a hero? killing the boss of the garlean empire?

NPC's to pray to you with your low lv? "oh holy player.".. you saved us from all. you killed an unimportant weak lv 25 dragon. (lv 75 players in the future will laugh at this)

even though there are going to be much more levels within the game after the first cap raise?
i dont wonder when reading this, why WoW is so successful. it gives the players the "glowing equipment" they want. even if they are just lowbes, they want to be the super hero lv 25-lv80. understood.

you have to think what will be later... and you have to messure this to what it is now.


and im not messuring this on the class missions... class missions are for me kind of "sidequesting" type.. off the mainstory. in offline Final Fantasys you have also unimportant sidequest missions, which you can do if you like to. jobquests are moe for getting background information about your job itself.

[Azurus]

yes and with lv 30! you compete against a primal god for the first time. woush.

i mean only this part, when entering the ifrit instance...dead people fall out the rift... the old elezen says "not again... no one ever successed in defeating ifrit" (oh well sure you didnt read it)... doesnt give you an "wow i'm such a hero" feeling when you're going to defeat ifrit as a primal god? aha

the end of the cutscene gives me an epic moment "wow that garlean knight has so much power... im not ready yet to beat him"


I dont get it!
What do you want? is it like in WoW "Here you have your golden shiny-glowing-in-all-colors-armor".. for everybody to see you're a hero? killing the boss of the garlean empire?

NPC's to pray to you with your low lv? "oh holy player.".. you saved us from all. you killed an unimportant weak lv 25 dragon. (lv 75 players in the future will laugh at this)

even though there are going to be much more levels within the game after the first cap raise?
i dont wonder when reading this, why WoW is so successful. it gives the players the "glowing equipment" they want. even if they are just lowbes, they want to be the super hero lv 25-lv80. understood.

you have to think what will be later... and you have to messure this to what it is now.


and im not messuring this on the class missions... class missions are for me kind of "sidequesting" type.. off the mainstory. in offline Final Fantasys you have also unimportant sidequest missions, which you can do if you like to. jobquests are moe for getting background information about your job itself.

Your using GC quests that i dont have a problem with as examples lol I actually very much like the GC quests. They really make you feel like something important is happening and you play a pivotal role in it.