Are role actions a nerf?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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If anything, I'd comment that you're the one refusing to acknowledge anything I'm saying. If people get hit with a cleanable debuff, especially if it's avoidable, I don't see any particular reason to clean it. If it's not gonna cause a death? Not my problem. The argument for people not using items is unrelated and does nothing to further your argument.

[Blazinhart]

I don't see it as a negative thing. We don't know how the revamp of the class-exclusive skills are, and we can have things that compensate the choices we may have to make. And tbh, IMO, for me the ones that are importante are Protect, Swiftcast, MP recovering, Esuna. So it leaves an extra slot for me to choose btween the rest.

I'm really excited for the changes and keen to try them

[Fawkes]

Usually paralysis is actually avoidable too so if you ignore an AoE and get it I have little remorse for you.

If people get hit with a cleanable debuff, especially if it's avoidable, I don't see any particular reason to clean it. If it's not gonna cause a death? Not my problem.

I guess that means you're not gonna take rescue instead.

[Hyperia]

I'm not entirely thrilled that WHM is getting most of its skills taken away that were included in the class and now we have to buy them back at the expense of getting new spells from the cross class. Good thing is, after this, there is not much more they can do to WHMs on taking away their unique abilities... save for giving away Benediction and maybe our big spamable aoe heals.

I'm going to be in the no-rescue camp though, I need all of the stuff I had back. Rescue sounds nice but I would only get it if I had a free slot, which I don't, and every player I have spoken to has told me to NEVER EVER GET IT or face punishment. Rescue is neat on paper and its flashy but boy does it make people pissy about messing with their character. Try "Rescuing" somebody in downtown Chicago.... I'll be in the armored car watching. =p

[SendohJin]

I'm not entirely thrilled that WHM is getting most of its skills taken away that were included in the class and now we have to buy them back at the expense of getting new spells from the cross class. Good thing is, after this, there is not much more they can do to WHMs on taking away their unique abilities...

do you really believe that now Conjurer will learn nothing at Lv 8 and Lv 18?

and are you really pretending Esuna was unique to WHM?

[Ama_Hamada]

do you really believe that now Conjurer will learn nothing at Lv 8 and Lv 18?

and are you really pretending Esuna was unique to WHM?

They did show WHM needing to equip it right? you can very well learn it, does not mean you can use it. As said though it was not a final version and set in stone.

[SendohJin]

They did show WHM needing to equip it right? you can very well learn it, does not mean you can use it. As said though it was not a final version and set in stone.

Equip what? Every job has to slot their role actions, that's not what I'm talking about.

Are you saying Scholar will learn a Leeches at Lv 40 that can't be used and CNJ will learn a Protect at Lv 8 that's different from the Role Action?

[Fawkes]

Equip what? Every job has to slot their role actions, that's not what I'm talking about.

Are you saying Scholar will learn a Leeches at Lv 40 that can't be used and CNJ will learn a Protect at Lv 8 that's different from the Role Action?

No, scholar will learn esuna now, at the same level as white mage. They will have to equip it in the role actions menu to cast it though.

Ama_Hamada is suggesting WHM might not learn something new where they used to learn esuna, they will just learn the role action esuna. We don't really know one way or the other.

[Kaisinel]

Do you honestly believe that WHM's Protect, Cleric Stance, Divine Seal, and Shroud of Saints will not be replaced with a new ability? That is, if divine seal/shround of saints are even leaving WHM.

Are you going to sit here and tell us that you are truly under the notion that WHM is going to end up with LESS abilities compared to the other healers because said actions are being moved to Cross Role?

[Fawkes]

Do you honestly believe that WHM's Protect, Cleric Stance, Divine Seal, and Shroud of Saints will not be replaced with a new ability? That is, if divine seal/shround of saints are even leaving WHM.

Are you going to sit here and tell us that you are truly under the notion that WHM is going to end up with LESS abilities compared to the other healers because said actions are being moved to Cross Role?

It's possible that other healers have lost a bunch of skills that we just don't know about yet, and they learn the role actions instead.

EDIT: And what I believe the system will be is irrelevant, I was just explaining a possibility someone else suggested. A lot of people seem to believe we're guaranteed to get a bunch of new stuff to replace the role abilities, and that might not be true.