Are role actions a nerf?

[Kaurie]

@Hamada,

I don't think that people should be swapping mid dungeons. It may happen at first, as people realize what they do/don't need. However, once you've run a dungeon, you know if you need Esuna for it or not. I am thinking that you'll take 5 core spells in DF, and then work with statics for planned cross role skills.

[Aramina]

It is not going to be fun to enter in a new expansion with new adjustments to jobs when 80% of the population will be unable to figure out how to use the job changes, let alone figure out what abilities to use.

I have never been a fan of catering to the lowest common denominator. That said, I think you (and others) are putting way too much emphasis on that thread, even at nearly 1000 pages it is a small small fraction of all the stories (good, bad, and neutral) of dungeons done every day. I don't think the unwashed masses are nearly as terrible as you seem to think.

[bswpayton]

I have never been a fan of catering to the lowest common denominator. That said, I think you (and others) are putting way too much emphasis on that thread, even at nearly 1000 pages it is a small small fraction of all the stories (good, bad, and neutral) of dungeons done every day. I don't think the unwashed masses are nearly as terrible as you seem to think.

hahah thats funny , do u know how many tanks i run into that dont seem to know what a cool down is, how many healers that never use regen , how many players dont read tool tips. how many players that dont use healing buffs divine seal, rousing the fairy, and o god I can see it now all the horrible drks now having to manage mp and watch a gauge in side of the corner to save us all , even tho I like the gauges actually but I can see it now

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

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I get the feeling that you're crying foul over nothing. We don't know everything about the role system yet, however it will allow us to ensure we have no useless space on our bars, and will let people adapt their own play styles. While I can certainly understand a bit of apprehension and nervousness, the degree of falling sky being shown in this thread is mildly absurd.

I'm not even an upper tier player, I'm lazy and dislike having scheduled meeting times, I just screw around and have fun. If I have a skill that not very useful for a particular boss, like esuna, I very much would want to trade Esuna for a different more useful skill for that fight. Where's the big deal?

[Aramina]

hahah thats funny , do u know how many tanks i run into that dont seem to know what a cool down is, how many healers that never use regen , how many players dont read tool tips. how many players that dont use healing buffs divine seal, rousing the fairy, and o god I can see it now all the horrible drks now having to manage mp and watch a gauge in side of the corner to save us all , even tho I like the gauges actually but I can see it now

No, I don't. All I can say is I must have the luck of the Irish because I can count on my fingers how many truly awful runs I have had. If all of your runs are that bad maybe you need to think of what they all have in common.

[Kaurie]

hahah thats funny , do u know how many tanks i run into that dont seem to know what a cool down is, how many healers that never use regen , how many players dont read tool tips. how many players that dont use healing buffs divine seal, rousing the fairy, and o god I can see it now all the horrible drks now having to manage mp and watch a gauge in side of the corner to save us all , even tho I like the gauges actually but I can see it now

How is this relevant? If players are not using skills given to them, then what's the argument against selecting which skills you bring?

[Rysir]

I dont see the issue at all, its a pick what you need system over the pick whats absolute best without other options system we have now.

It is easily an improvement since we actually have choice like ACTUALLY do and make loadouts for each encounter which we could have done with cross class skills if most of the cross class abilities were not trash.

This change makes the game more modern and require some thought and planning now instead of pick 5 and never touch it again which is a good thing and I would not consider it a nerf.

[Ama_Hamada]

How is this relevant? If players are not using skills given to them, then what's the argument against selecting which skills you bring?

people will not be able to handle the system, esuna should not be optional, same with protect and provoke.

If they wanted to make this system work, it needs to be optional abilities, not required ones.

I dont see the issue at all, its a pick what you need system over the pick whats absolute best without other options system we have now.

It is easily an improvement since we actually have choice like ACTUALLY do and make loadouts for each encounter which we could have done with cross class skills if most of the cross class abilities were not trash.

This change makes the game more modern and require some thought and planning now instead of pick 5 and never touch it again which is a good thing and I would not consider it a nerf.

That is not even the issue with now, the issue with now is the system is useless because a lot of jobs do not even have choices. You do not even fill 5 slots with SMN and BLM for example. It is also too much to ask people to level other jobs to have a "required" ability.

[Kaurie]

people will not be able to handle the system, esuna should not be optional, same with protect and provoke.

If they wanted to make this system work, it needs to be optional abilities, not required ones.

All of those skills are optional and situational.

[Pells]

About the only thing that has me concerned is the muscle memory aspect, since gamers will naturally develop it over years. Theoretically though it might not be that bad. I'm interested in the new system.

Most of the time I'll be clumsy for a week or two, then this problem solves itself. Even faster with hotbars and custom keys since I tend to put specific tasks in specific places. ALT-4 is almost always a cleanse (Esuna) for me.

It can still be annoying. I was super pissed when workshops were added to company houses and it replaced the top spot that used to go to your own personal room. Click the door, click the top slot, wait for the zone time and... this is the wrong room.