Are role actions a nerf?

[Ama_Hamada]

How is this relevant? If players are not using skills given to them, then what's the argument against selecting which skills you bring?

people will not be able to handle the system, esuna should not be optional, same with protect and provoke.

If they wanted to make this system work, it needs to be optional abilities, not required ones.

I dont see the issue at all, its a pick what you need system over the pick whats absolute best without other options system we have now.

It is easily an improvement since we actually have choice like ACTUALLY do and make loadouts for each encounter which we could have done with cross class skills if most of the cross class abilities were not trash.

This change makes the game more modern and require some thought and planning now instead of pick 5 and never touch it again which is a good thing and I would not consider it a nerf.

That is not even the issue with now, the issue with now is the system is useless because a lot of jobs do not even have choices. You do not even fill 5 slots with SMN and BLM for example. It is also too much to ask people to level other jobs to have a "required" ability.

[Kaurie]

people will not be able to handle the system, esuna should not be optional, same with protect and provoke.

If they wanted to make this system work, it needs to be optional abilities, not required ones.

All of those skills are optional and situational.

[Ama_Hamada]

All of those skills are optional and situational.

Fire IV is optional and situational too, but I do not see them putting that on the role list

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You do not have need of Esuna if there is no debuff. You do not have need of protect if someone else has it.

and yet that just opens up B*** fest over who needs to use esuna.

As far as Provoke is, that's open for debate. If you aren't in content where tank swaps are required, then you probably don't need Provoke except for those cases when you die because your healer was too zealous with dps and forgot to perform their role. It's certainly a safety net, but when there's no tank swaps needed, that's all it really is.

Yeah Ill remember that when I am tanking as SMN because provoke is not needed.

[Aramina]

and yet that just opens up B*** fest over who needs to use esuna.

You *really* have a low opinion of fellow players, don't you? I am honestly sorry that you have had so many negative experiences that cause you to feel this way.

[Ama_Hamada]

You *really* have a low opinion of fellow players, don't you?

I am being realistic, my last expert i did was 34 mins because people did not know how to dps.

2 friends doing relic runs, 2/4 dungons had both DPS gearing incorrectly, ilevel doging the weapon slot and wearing wrong stats for the right side on the same day, back to back runs. You want proof why this is an issue? look at SB changes, trying to lower the skill gap and making the right match your main stat. Even SE "have a low opinion of fellow players"

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Fire IV is optional and situational too, but I do not see them putting that on the role list



and yet that just opens up B*** fest over who needs to use esuna.



Yeah Ill remember that when I am tanking as SMN because provoke is not needed.

If you're tanking as SMN, either the tank is bad enough Provoke won't save you or the healer let the tank die and is therefore directly responsible for your squishy face being made even more squish. Either way you have my undivided sympathy

[Kaurie]

Fire IV is optional and situational too, but I do not see them putting that on the role list

That is a ridiculous notion and a false equivalency. Fire IV is embedded deep into the rotation.

Yeah Ill remember that when I am tanking as SMN because provoke is not needed.

In dungeon content, provoke really isn't needed. If you are doing your job properly, you're holding hate - and if anyone snags it away, you're not going to provoke to get it back (cuz you'll just instantly lose it again), you're going to use your hate generation. That said, using a provoke + shield lob would be effective as well. If that is how you choose to do it, then you can slot in your provoke. It doesn't mean that it is required by any means though, just that it's your preference to use it that way.

I am being realistic, my last expert i did was 34 mins because people did not know how to dps.

2 friends doing relic runs, 2/4 dungons had both DPS gearing incorrectly, ilevel doging the weapon slot and wearing wrong stats for the right side on the same day, back to back runs. You want proof why this is an issue? look at SB changes, trying to lower the skill gap and making the right match your main stat. Even SE "have a low opinion of fellow players"

This is all irrelevant. Players doing poor DPS or wearing incorrect gear isn't effected or solved by the cross role skill system. That said, luckily in SB, accessories are job-locked.

[bswpayton]

That is a ridiculous notion and a false equivalency. Fire IV is

Provoke is needed i personally when im tankin like to tank in my ot stance and i use it just to stay on top even if im not losing argo i will provoke just in case i like that option so i dont have to switch back to shield oath and can stay in sword, or darkside or, and it also allows me not to have to use my argo combo so to me provoke is a must at all times

@Felis

hmm have u ever done potd, and said hey guys i need to fix my hot bars guess what happens everyone leaves nobody wants to wait , this game is not full of patient people, I speed run low level dungeons like sathasha , copper bell mines, Im not tryin to wait on some healer to change their abilities around. I dont expect anyone to wait on me to change mine around either thats the whole point everyone is making its an inconvenience. This game is all about speed how fast can i get this done , how many things can i cheese to make this go by faster, and waiting on someone to fix their hotbars is not something im tryin to wait on in every dungeon run or trial roulette or anything else

[Greedalox]

Provoke is needed i personally when im tankin like to tank in my ot stance and i use it just to stay on top even if im not losing argo i will provoke just in case

Provoke won't give you any threat if you already have agro. It puts you 1 arbitrary point of threat above the person who currently has the monsters attention, which if you are not losing agro means you have agro which means it did nothing.

[bswpayton]

Provoke won't give you any threat if you already have agro. It puts you 1 arbitrary point of threat above the person who currently has the monsters attention, which if you are not losing agro means you have agro which means it did nothing.

either way just in case for security reasons I still want to have it , because if some dps gets some good crits in or something anything can happen if ur not in tank stance, so its a must for me

And also alot of dps like to not aoe and focus in on one target ninjas, monks, dragoons dont even act like they know what an aoe is so its also good for that as well

@Aramina
Its a me problem for not wanting to spend 30 in a dungeon when i dont have to, that I dont wana pull three adds when I know I can pull more no thats just how you should play. Any time wasted is a waste of time and waiting on people to fix their hot bars is a waste of time that wasnt an issue before because your cross class skills essentially stay the same and thats what I prefer. I wouldn't want to change out my main abilities would I so why would I want to switch out the cross ones? If I wana play a game with interactive skills Id be playing one but I like this one because my skills stay the same, I play every job in the game and I dont want to have to learn 60 different cross role skills for all 15 jobs to know what fits where.