Are role actions a nerf?

[Ama_Hamada]

Most of your complaints are cases of confusing "Nice to have" with "Necessary to have." Healer DpS is nice but not always necessary.

You may need to reexamine your Dissipation use, and you don't need to swiftcast summon at the start of a duty.

It is nice but is not required despite your belief that it is required.



Not every fight inflicts esunable status effects. Only reason you really want esuna before 40 is because of how esunable Dot heavy Thousand Maws is. Most other DoTs and Status effects are fairly easy to ignore. A fair few Healers have ignored esunable status effects on me to focus more on their own damage.



Most healers overheal by more than 10%. You won't be losing that much dps from not having it. It will only be needed when the different in damage between having and not having is the difference between someone dying and someone not dying.


As a tank I rarely have trouble in large pulls when a healer/summoner fails to use Eye for an Eye on me. Also I said Eye for an Eye will be "useful" not "more useful than other abilities."



Which is why your in general selection might look like this:

• Swiftcast
• Lucid Dream
• Appreciation
• Protect
• Esuna

And swap in the other 5 based on your knowledge of what will be useful in the content you are doing.

My general tanking set is likely to be the following.

• Low blow
• Interject
• Either Provoke or Ultimatum depending on player preference
• Rampart
• Convalescence

"Standard" does not equal "always needed." The 5 slot limit of the Cross Role system is more about button bloat limiting than preventing use of common abilities.

You only play tank or something? Do you know what it is like to do things daily as a SCH? swiftcast is a requirement, you can't tell me I need to reexamine my Dissipation use when you do not know what I see, You do not know how much paralyze hurts casting. You do not know how much damage people can take. Protect, esuna, and swfitcast (for SCH) are needs. The only hyperbole are your posts because people are concerned. Someone that only plays tanks has no right to tell healers they shouldn't be.

The only thing that needs reexamining is your prospective.

[Aramina]

Someone that only plays tanks has no right to tell healers they shouldn't be.

The only thing that needs reexamining is your prospective.

I play SCH almost exclusively and of the 3 you mentioned only Swiftcast is a NEED (meaning something you will have use of 100% of the time). Esuna is only useful if there are debuffs that can be removed and Protect is of iffy necessity in dungeons and in raids only "required" for 1 of the 2 healers. You can disagree all you like... but unless you can come up with a way to prove that you NEED esuna even if there is nothing to remove, the reality of the situation is not going to change.

[bswpayton]

I play SCH almost exclusively and of the 3 you mentioned only Swiftcast is a NEED (meaning something you will have use of 100% of the time). Esuna is only

the t hing is actively believing that all of a sudden players will just switch these skills out accordingly is just crazy hell people wont even wait on me to put job skills on my job in potd. Like pretty much most players gona pick five and never look at this list again. Like yea for dungeons your gona need esuna are u gona remember to change that everytime you go into a raid or extreme trial prob not this was a very stupid change to put even half of these things on this list. This cross role system is garbage, and it really smells bad.

[Felis]

the t hing is actively believing that all of a sudden players will just switch these skills out accordingly is just crazy hell people wont even wait on me to put job skills on my job in potd.

This is why I hope that there will be a macro command for choosing the 5 active role skills.

[Nezerius]

Like pretty much most players gona pick five and never look at this list again.

Which would probably be the same players that don't bother unlocking abilities for the current cross-class system.

Like yea for dungeons your gona need esuna are u gona remember to change that everytime you go into a raid or extreme trial prob not this was a very stupid change to put even half of these things on this list.

Because every single boss, in every single dungeon has a debuff that's vital to be cleansed right away? Sure, you might want to grab it on your first run through a dungeon, just to play it safe. If a dungeon doesn't end up having any important debuffs, you'd be able to pick something else in place of it.

As for not remembering, there's always the option of setting your hotbars in such a way that it has all 10 role actions grouped up, so you'll know which abilities are active, and which ones aren't.

This cross role system is garbage, and it really smells bad.

How fortunate that you're from the future, and have already tried out the cross role system. Care to tell us any upcoming lottery numbers?

[Aramina]

the t hing is actively believing that all of a sudden players will just switch these skills out accordingly is just crazy hell people wont even wait on me to put job skills on my job in potd. Like pretty much most players gona pick five and never look at this list again. Like yea for dungeons your gona need esuna are u gona remember to change that everytime you go into a raid or extreme trial prob not this was a very stupid change to put even half of these things on this list. This cross role system is garbage, and it really smells bad.

Unless this is people's very first MMO they should already be quite familiar with using different skillsets for different fights. I am sorry you seem to have had only bad experiences but all I can say is that I haven't had the same experiences which leads me to put a lot more faith in people's ability to adapt than you seem capable of having.

The fact some duties doesn't require it or dispellable debuffs are not a big deal, doesn't means the skill is unneeded.

That is kind of *exactly* what it means. :/

[Ama_Hamada]

I play SCH almost exclusively and of the 3 you mentioned only Swiftcast is a NEED (meaning something you will have use of 100% of the time). Esuna is only useful if there are debuffs that can be removed and Protect is of iffy necessity in dungeons and in raids only "required" for 1 of the 2 healers. You candisagree all you like... but unless you can come up with a way to prove that you NEED esuna even if there is nothing to remove, the reality of the situation is not going to change.

You need protect, and esuna as baseline, why? :
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry.-Let-s-vent.
That's why. Most people do not play well. Protect helps make healing manageable when people are being hit by stuff they shouldn't be. You have 967 pages of why. paralyze hurts casting too much to fit being a need. "Why did you not esuna doom?" "I cross class rescue because esuna is not a need" If they are trying to narrow the gap of people that know what they are doing and not, this system is very poor.

Protect and esuna should be baseline for all healers, not from a selection of 5 bonus skills (this is assuming they rework SCH in general though and how dissipation works, otherwise it is a need for sch.) These 5 bonus skills should not be needs or things that should be baseline, like esuna and protect.

Also why does it stop at 50 for? Are they admitting the game is not natural to 50+? maybe that is why people are complaining about coding issues.