Are role actions a nerf?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

these are good posts that make me worry if role actions are a nerf. Also I am concerned about DPS output balance. Can brd keep up without blood for blood and internal release? MCH without blood for blood and hawk eye for wildfire? I do understand MCH is likely much different then we know now, but does SE truly understand what we can do with rotations? will this lead to no x job allowed to do x content?

Why are healers losing protect and esuna as default? that makes no sense at all. (and maybe losing mp recovery tool and dive seal?) does this make AST too op with synergy on top of it?

Easily. I suspect Blood for Blood was taken away because Bard and Machinist wound up doing more damage than even the melee jobs. It's insane what both were capable of when paired with a Dragoon.

As for role skills. It will come down to communication between your co-healer in a static setting. If the White Mage takes Esuna and Protect, the Scholar doesn't have to. For all other content, it really doesn't matter. Dungeons and normal mode equivalent raids/trials have always been a joke. Extremes and Savage generally require some strategizing, which this enforces. The one concern I do have though is... how badly will this impact pugging higher tier content?

[Aramina]

I don't think it will necessarily effect pugging at all. You are just as capable of strategizing with your group mates in a pug as you are in a static. That may not happen of course... but I think that is a people problem rather than an inherant flaw in the new system.

[Wildsprite]

Lucid Dream is the "one size fits all" MP management tool replacement for Shroud of Saints, Luminous Aether, and maybe Aetherflow as well (I am unsure if SCH are keeping Aetherflow or if it will still recover MP). needless to say, healers are generally expected to be able to manage their mp without outside help. If SCH keeps Aetherflow as is, then Lucid Dream is an optional (and likely useless) ability for them freeing up a pick. WHM and AST absolutely need this... and SCH will too if they lose mp recovery via Aetherflow. SCH is already guaranteed losing mp recovery from Drain (which is becoming a caster dps role skill).

Shroud of Saints & Luminous Aether also lower enmity. Aetherflow does not. Aetherflow is used for more than just MP regain on SCH so it is likely not going anywhere, though it might change(I honestly doubt it).
the skills SCH uses that require Aetherflow are
these first 2 are Arcainist Skills(but you probably knew that)
Energy Drain
Bane
these are SCH only skills
Lustrate(though this is probably going away)
Sacred Soil
Indomidability

In some fights Lucid Dream will come in handy on SCH due to lowering enmity. Honestly I dont see this skill as a must have though. Think about what happens if you get enough enmity to get aggro and keep getting hit. As long as your fairie is out she goes nuts trying to keep you healed, this redirects enmity to her.

[Ama_Hamada]

Most of your complaints are cases of confusing "Nice to have" with "Necessary to have." Healer DpS is nice but not always necessary.

You may need to reexamine your Dissipation use, and you don't need to swiftcast summon at the start of a duty.

It is nice but is not required despite your belief that it is required.



Not every fight inflicts esunable status effects. Only reason you really want esuna before 40 is because of how esunable Dot heavy Thousand Maws is. Most other DoTs and Status effects are fairly easy to ignore. A fair few Healers have ignored esunable status effects on me to focus more on their own damage.



Most healers overheal by more than 10%. You won't be losing that much dps from not having it. It will only be needed when the different in damage between having and not having is the difference between someone dying and someone not dying.


As a tank I rarely have trouble in large pulls when a healer/summoner fails to use Eye for an Eye on me. Also I said Eye for an Eye will be "useful" not "more useful than other abilities."



Which is why your in general selection might look like this:

• Swiftcast
• Lucid Dream
• Appreciation
• Protect
• Esuna

And swap in the other 5 based on your knowledge of what will be useful in the content you are doing.

My general tanking set is likely to be the following.

• Low blow
• Interject
• Either Provoke or Ultimatum depending on player preference
• Rampart
• Convalescence

"Standard" does not equal "always needed." The 5 slot limit of the Cross Role system is more about button bloat limiting than preventing use of common abilities.

You only play tank or something? Do you know what it is like to do things daily as a SCH? swiftcast is a requirement, you can't tell me I need to reexamine my Dissipation use when you do not know what I see, You do not know how much paralyze hurts casting. You do not know how much damage people can take. Protect, esuna, and swfitcast (for SCH) are needs. The only hyperbole are your posts because people are concerned. Someone that only plays tanks has no right to tell healers they shouldn't be.

The only thing that needs reexamining is your prospective.

[Aramina]

Someone that only plays tanks has no right to tell healers they shouldn't be.

The only thing that needs reexamining is your prospective.

I play SCH almost exclusively and of the 3 you mentioned only Swiftcast is a NEED (meaning something you will have use of 100% of the time). Esuna is only useful if there are debuffs that can be removed and Protect is of iffy necessity in dungeons and in raids only "required" for 1 of the 2 healers. You can disagree all you like... but unless you can come up with a way to prove that you NEED esuna even if there is nothing to remove, the reality of the situation is not going to change.

[Felis]

not equipping Protect can help to keep non-dmg Healers busy

[bswpayton]

I play SCH almost exclusively and of the 3 you mentioned only Swiftcast is a NEED (meaning something you will have use of 100% of the time). Esuna is only

the t hing is actively believing that all of a sudden players will just switch these skills out accordingly is just crazy hell people wont even wait on me to put job skills on my job in potd. Like pretty much most players gona pick five and never look at this list again. Like yea for dungeons your gona need esuna are u gona remember to change that everytime you go into a raid or extreme trial prob not this was a very stupid change to put even half of these things on this list. This cross role system is garbage, and it really smells bad.

[Aramina]

not equipping Protect can help to keep non-dmg Healers busy

Oooh, you may be on to something. Add esuna to the "no" list because heal through that shit and swiftcast because if you are healing all the time you have enough time to hardcast!!

[Felis]

the t hing is actively believing that all of a sudden players will just switch these skills out accordingly is just crazy hell people wont even wait on me to put job skills on my job in potd.

This is why I hope that there will be a macro command for choosing the 5 active role skills.

[Nezerius]

Like pretty much most players gona pick five and never look at this list again.

Which would probably be the same players that don't bother unlocking abilities for the current cross-class system.

Like yea for dungeons your gona need esuna are u gona remember to change that everytime you go into a raid or extreme trial prob not this was a very stupid change to put even half of these things on this list.

Because every single boss, in every single dungeon has a debuff that's vital to be cleansed right away? Sure, you might want to grab it on your first run through a dungeon, just to play it safe. If a dungeon doesn't end up having any important debuffs, you'd be able to pick something else in place of it.

As for not remembering, there's always the option of setting your hotbars in such a way that it has all 10 role actions grouped up, so you'll know which abilities are active, and which ones aren't.

This cross role system is garbage, and it really smells bad.

How fortunate that you're from the future, and have already tried out the cross role system. Care to tell us any upcoming lottery numbers?