Revolutions Hype Thread

[Theodric]

Also is it me or is anyone else slightly annoyed by how Lyse can't seem to hold her ground against Fordola even though she went head to head with Livia sas Junius as Yda?

No, not at all. I very much enjoy it when overconfident, hypocritical protagonists are humbled by nuanced antagonists. Lyse lied about her identity and is now pushing a very powerful individual to commit to a brutal war that is inevitably going to lead to an immense amount of suffering and death on both sides. The least that can happen to Lyse is being pushed around a bit by someone who just happens to be a better or more aggressive fighter than she is.

[boredomisboring]

The video definitely gave me some more hype. I am really looking forward to the stories of Fordola and Yotsuyu in particular as they seem to have potential for a lot of depth. I am also curious if we will get to go to Ala Mhigo proper (as we still have yet to see anything of the city proper yet) and what shape Doma will be in. As Yotsuyu is the current viceroy of Doma, I believe it is still standing to some extent--though it appears to be flooded in areas. I do hope it is not another 'Sharlayan' situation, where we mainly have access to ruins of a city. I hope we are able to liberate and slowly rebuild the city. It seems we will be taking the fight to both fronts-- Ala Mhigo and Doma--so I'm looking forward to seeing how both will be incorporated into the story. It seems as if we already have our reason to go into the former, so I think that's where we'll start. It will be interesting to see the interaction between the Ala Mhigan resistance members and those who were born in Ala Mhigo after they were taken over by the Empire (characters like Fordola). There is a lot of potential there. I am a little bit concerned that not everyone will get out of our ventures in Othard and Gyr Abania unscathed however-- some of the scenes in the trailer were troubling.

[Alleo]

I find it silly to knock the Scions for not having a solution to Primals considering there's, like, no easy solution to it, lol?

My point was more to show how its easy to point fingers at things but that solving the problem itself might not be that easy itself. And if you take care of a whole country then a possible good solution can turn into a catastrophic ending really fast. So Y'shtola might have been in the right to point it out but it does not change the fact that she is not the one in charge thus does not have to make those decisions herself. (I at least would not want to be in the position of making such choices)

And who knows maybe in SB we or more Lyse will realize that its not that easy to take Ala Mhigo back and that maybe some people will even be opposed to it. But seeing how we managed to stop that long dragon/human war, I am quite sure that everything will be fine in the end. (Not sure if this is good or bad as storytelling)

[VargasVermillion]

And who knows maybe in SB we or more Lyse will realize that its not that easy to take Ala Mhigo back and that maybe some people will even be opposed to it. But seeing how we managed to stop that long dragon/human war, I am quite sure that everything will be fine in the end. (Not sure if this is good or bad as storytelling)

I wouldn't say necessarily bad on it's own but context is important here. We are to believe the WoL and a ragtag group of rebels just waltz into not only one, but two annexed territories of the most powerful country on the 3 great continents. Idk how the story will pan out obviously but I can't shake the feeling that they'll liberate both locations much easier than they should. For all the build up about how the garleans are this big global threat they are shown to be incompetent time and time again, at the thing they are supposed to be the best at no less.

[Cilia]

No, not at all. I very much enjoy it when overconfident, hypocritical protagonists are humbled by nuanced antagonists. Lyse lied about her identity and is now pushing a very powerful individual to commit to a brutal war that is inevitably going to lead to an immense amount of suffering and death on both sides. The least that can happen to Lyse is being pushed around a bit by someone who just happens to be a better or more aggressive fighter than she is.

... or it could just be that, you know, trying to fight someone armed with a sword and shield while unarmed is a reeeeeeeeeally bad idea. (Also implying that Zenos would not have jumped at the first opportunity to go to war with Eorzea that presented itself, which based on what we know of his character seems extremely unlikely.)

Anyway, there are a number of reasons for Fordola being able to go one-on-one with Lyse. The former is armed, the latter is not; Fordola could be a match for Lyse in terms of skill; the villains need to be competent to pose a threat, especially since we're going into this one with our blessing still intact; and I do believe that, given they're seen clashing twice, Fordola is going to be Lyse's rival character, so they need to be about even in skill and power. Lyse could hold her own against Livia because that was a straight fight - against Fordola, she's at a rather significant range disadvantage.

P.S. Zenos is Yoshi-P's answer to people liking and agreeing with Gaius and the Garleans in general. Don't forget that.

[Theodric]

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Livia was clad in armour from head to toe and had the ability to shoot bullets from her fists. That didn't stop Lyse from confronting her head on. It's a Final Fantasy game - so the 'realism' isn't the same realism that applies to the real world and a lot of combat is going to be driven by 'rule of cool' above all else, I feel. I also remember Lyse running right up to a Morbol and punching it in one of the low level duties - and whilst that may be a matter of gameplay and story segregation she's clearly not weak but that doesn't mean Fordola isn't just a better fighter. Which, honestly, is sorely needed at a point where it feels like pretty much every single major ally of the Warrior of Light is able to hold their own against the vast majority of foes that they come across. Seeing them roughed up and pushed around would be very refreshing and I hope that the initial attempts to free Ala Mhigo fail and that retaking it ends up being a more drawn out process than securing Baelsar's Wall.

Beatrix was never defeated by the party in FFIX. She thrashed the protagonist's party not once, not twice but three times. Better yet, she was a nuanced antagonist who ended up remaining loyal to her people and homeland without becoming an outright defector - which was a very refreshing element and a large part as to why I consider IX to be my favourite main title after XII. So here's hoping Lyse is beaten back at every turn and Fordola has a 'Beatrix' moment!

As for Zenos, he's definitely going to be someone that isn't particularly pleasant or reasonable. Given that there's people who fawn over Charibert and Grinnaux, though, I'm not entirely convinced he won't be without a fan following. Still, it's not a small number of people who desire Garlemald to be nuanced and given its own time to shine in the spotlight. At some point I have little doubt that we'll see peace between Garlemald and Eorzea. It's but a matter of when.

I just hope we get another character similar to Regula who ends up remaining loyal to his people and homeland but is willing to argue the benefit of forging some sort of beneficial alliance with the Warrior of Light and his allies. Putting aside the harsher stuff associated with Garlemald there is a lot of potential for prosperity and 'uplifting' through the use of magitek, which almost certainly can be useful outside of combat scenarios.

[Alleo]

Still, it's not a small number of people who desire Garlemald to be nuanced and given its own time to shine in the spotlight. At some point I have little doubt that we'll see peace between Garlemald and Eorzea. It's but a matter of when.

Well if the leader of Garlemald will stay the same I kinda doubt that we will see a true peace with them. At least right now Garlemald is used as the big threat next to the Ascians. They conquered big parts of Hydaelyn and I am just not sure who would be the next enemy if they would make peace with Eorzea. IMO I can only see that happening towards the end of this MMO and I am also not sure if this would still be the Garlemald some people like. (Maybe it will fall apart like Rome did)

Regula was also only fighting on our side for that one threat and if he had survived it I would not even be sure if he woulndt have been punished for that.

[VargasVermillion]

Well if the leader of Garlemald will stay the same I kinda doubt that we will see a true peace with them. At least right now Garlemald is used as the big threat next to the Ascians. They conquered big parts of Hydaelyn and I am just not sure who would be the next enemy if they would make peace with Eorzea. IMO I can only see that happening towards the end of this MMO and I am also not sure if this would still be the Garlemald some people like. (Maybe it will fall apart like Rome did)

Regula was also only fighting on our side for that one threat and if he had survived it I would not even be sure if he woulndt have been punished for that.

Apparently the garleans will be antagonists until 6.0 at least. so not till the end necessarily but they seem to have a time frame for when the actual threat is over, it's just a matter of how it ends.

[VargasVermillion]

... or it could just be that, you know, trying to fight someone armed with a sword and shield while unarmed is a reeeeeeeeeally bad idea.

By this logic Eorzea would have lost already just because of machina and airships alone.

[Hinoto-no-Ryuji]

By this logic Eorzea would have lost already just because of machina and airships alone.

It's worth noting that the only reason they haven't lost to machina and airships alone is because of Silvertear, and the subsequent unwillingness of Garlemald to commit to a full invasion campaign.