PSA - Cleric Stance and vote kicking

[Naunet]

It's just a game and etc etc but it's a bit horrible to expect your team to do all the work while you watch Netflix - not exactly the most team-player attitude to have in an MMO, a genre defined by working as a team.

Can we please stop with the "healers are watching Netflix" BS? Healing requires attention. We don't need to be measuring people's contribution with button presses.

While I generally toss out plenty of dps in 4-man dungeons, I find myself barely doing any damage in 8 or 24-mans - even when I'm not actively healing. And it's not because I'm being lazy and "watching Netflix". I'm keeping an anxious eye on boss mechanics and watching where players are positioned (especially chaotic in the 24-man raids), constantly repositioning myself so that I can both catch everyone in my buffs and heals (I main AST) AND be ready to avoid telegraphs. I don't run with a static, so I'm constantly anticipating unpredictable mistakes and getting myself into a position where I can correct them. While this isn't particularly challenging (especially compared to the content I do seriously raid in - WildStar), it does require attention, and IMO attentiveness on the healer's part is just as important as damn button presses.

[edit] Just... really. "You're not pressing enough buttons!" strikes me as an absolutely absurd metric for contribution - especially as applied to a role that, by its nature, requires the player to pay attention to player health bars.

[Tobalito]

Can we please stop with the "healers are watching Netflix" BS? Healing requires attention. We don't need to be measuring people's contribution with button presses.


While I generally toss out plenty of dps in 4-man dungeons, I find myself barely doing any damage in 8 or 24-mans - even when I'm not actively healing. And it's not because I'm being lazy and "watching Netflix". I'm keeping an anxious eye on boss mechanics and watching where players are positioned (especially chaotic in the 24-man raids), constantly repositioning myself so that I can both catch everyone in my buffs and heals (I main AST) AND be ready to avoid telegraphs. I don't run with a static, so I'm constantly anticipating unpredictable mistakes and getting myself into a position where I can correct them. While this isn't particularly challenging (especially compared to the content I do seriously raid in - WildStar), it does require attention, and IMO attentiveness on the healer's part is just as important as damn button presses.

[edit] Just... really. "You're not pressing enough buttons!" strikes me as an absolutely absurd metric for contribution - especially as applied to a role that, by its nature, requires the player to pay attention to player health bars.

Couldnt agree more man, unfortunately this community has become very toxic with dps and squeezing every last drop, and it pushes newcomers away. My friend tried to play a healer and was met with this kind of toxic mentality I cant for the life of me convince him to come back and try again.

[bounddreamer]

Couldnt agree more man, unfortunately this community has become very toxic with dps and squeezing every last drop, and it pushes newcomers away. My friend tried to play a healer and was met with this kind of toxic mentality I cant for the life of me convince him to come back and try again.

Ah, yes. Asking players to contribute something to the group or offering tips on how to do something they may not know about is extremely toxic. Very terrible. We should never ask anyone else to improve, it will erode the entire playerbase.

[Aramina]

[edit] Just... really. "You're not pressing enough buttons!" strikes me as an absolutely absurd metric for contribution - especially as applied to a role that, by its nature, requires the player to pay attention to player health bars.

This is why I said both sides are being ridiculous.

It IS NOT "You just want to watch Netflix while doing a dungeon."
It IS NOT "You just want me to dps so much everyone dies."
It IS "Fill all the gcds required for healing with healing and fill as many free gcds as you can with damage."

[Fyce]

Can we please stop with the "healers are watching Netflix" BS? Healing requires attention. We don't need to be measuring people's contribution with button presses.

There's a difference between waiting for your tank to take damage and casting Cure II when he's at 90% of his max health, and having to babysit terrible players who don't avoid AoEs and a Tank who never uses cooldowns.

The latter happens, and yes, DPSing in this case is quite hard to do because a healer's role is very dependant on predictability. This is exactly why healing in a 24 raid is a nightmare.

But when you have a good tank who knows how to do his cooldown rotation properly, when he does a big pull with Hallowed Ground, as well as DPS who avoid almost every AoEs, then you're have a very stable party with minimal unpredictable events. In this situation, there's a lot of moments where you could be casting your DPS spells, because the rate at which your Tank's health gets eaten is very steady (and often slow enough that a single Regen is enough).
So, if you just stand there, doing nothing, not even a single 2.5s GCD cast because you're too scared of "what could happen if I'm not instantly ready?!?!", while your teammates are doing their best to ease your job, then it's almost irrespectful not to take these opportunities they create for you.
This means that yes, CMP (cast per minute) is a relevant metric when it comes to these situations. If another healer can cast twice the number of what you do in the same situation, then you suck. It's as simple as that.

[SpookyGhost]

Can we please stop with the "healers are watching Netflix" BS? Healing requires attention.

"Healers are watching Netflix" is exaggeration, obviously, but if you need to constantly be on the lookout to the point where your hands quiver and you just can't press GCDs while using your eyes then maybe healer isn't the role for you in this game. Or in general. Because if you replace DPS spells with healing spells you're going to be in the same situation.

Yes, healing is quite literally the only role in XIV that requires any situational awareness, but if you know when X ability is coming (hint: it happens at the same time every time) then you'll know when people have the potential to take damage and can keep an eye out. You do not have to constantly be sweating bullets, eyes glued to the party, unable to move unless you see someone's health go down.

If you are learning an encounter, I don't expect you to be putting out optimal min/max DPS, I expect you to be learning when and where you can safely DPS. This doesn't just apply to raids as much as people think it does, all bosses in the game works like this regardless of how good or bad your party is. As an example, lets say you know that the boss does an AOE and then proceeds to do nothing but auto attacks. After healing the AOE, now there is no threat whatsoever and you can freely DPS. Let's say the boss is doing ground target AOEs and 2 DPS stand in them and take damage, but then the boss proceeds to do nothing but auto attacks. Heal the two DPS, then proceed to freely DPS.

If you literally can not DPS because people are being so stupid that they're constantly taking damage and you're constantly needing to heal, then don't DPS. But keep your GCD rolling - if you can afford 5s to hop into Cleric, then do it (in 4.0 it'd be ~2.5s, but still). If you can't, then don't, but make sure those 5s are filled with useful heals.

This is the game. This is how it plays. When everyone else is bothering to play the game how it plays and you're deciding to actively not, then you're also actively harming the team. Yes, in an alternate reality where XIV requires constant healing in every encounter ever you would not need to DPS. But that is not the reality we live in.

[Naunet]

"Healers are watching Netflix" is exaggeration, obviously, but if you need to constantly be on the lookout to the point where your hands quiver and you just can't press GCDs while using your eyes then maybe healer isn't the role for you in this game.

Talk about exaggeration...

[SpookyGhost]

Talk about exaggeration...

That actually wasn't exaggeration as it's the only situation in which I can imagine someone not pressing GCDs while also using their eyeballs.

[Taika]

Can we please stop with the "healers are watching Netflix" BS? Healing requires attention.

Yeah, sure... :P



Edit:

This is me "healing" afk with /idlecam on: https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=16m15s

[SpookyGhost]

This is me "healing" afk with /idlecam on: https://youtu.be/jBgMe5uHPsE?t=16m15s

Nice overheal %. :^)