Combo Consolidation: How long before we see it in PVE?

[Zigabar]

Came to post exactly this when I read the topic title.

Why, though? You like things convoluted and bloated for the sake of it?

[alimdia]

Why, though? You like things convoluted and bloated for the sake of it?

The current system isn't convoluted or bloated.

I mean if it's for the sake of simplicity why not turn everything into two buttons, one active attack with 1000 potency and one buff?

Our PvE is already pretty slow, this system would make more sense in a fast paced action game, not a game with a 2.5s gcd, there's no need to dumb down combat even more, the current combat has a good synergy with boss mechanics, with a proper reward/punishment for doing or not doing your job correctly.

[Iromi]

The current system isn't convoluted or bloated.

I mean if it's for the sake of simplicity why not turn everything into two buttons, one active attack with 1000 potency and one buff?

Our PvE is already pretty slow, this system would make more sense in a fast paced action game, not a game with a 2.5s gcd, there's no need to dumb down combat even more, the current combat has a good synergy with boss mechanics, with a proper reward/punishment for doing or not doing your job correctly.

I really don't see how pressing 1-2-3 makes the game challenging. Or how a lack thereof would make it "dumbed down" If people find that challenging in the fights..I think we have a totally different problem.

[alimdia]

I really don't see how pressing 1-2-3 makes the game challenging. Or how a lack thereof would make it "dumbed down" If people find that challenging in the fights..I think we have a totally different problem.

So we're back in a full circle.

Seeing how many DF DPS have such massive difficulty hitting buttons, I say yes it is very different.

Whether you accept it or not, the skill gap comes from people who know how to do these extremely easy rotations and those who don't, and the skill gap is so big that someone who does know can deal twice as much damage as someone who doesn't.

Contrary to what Zigabar said, it doesn't raise the bottom, you're asking to remove the upper half of the skill bar and dumb everything to the lowest common denominator, press 1 over and over to win.

[Ferth]

Contrary to what Zigabar said, it doesn't raise the bottom, you're asking to remove the upper half of the skill bar and dumb everything to the lowest common denominator, press 1 over and over to win.

That's a gross oversimplification. You will still be weaving oGCD cooldowns inbetween weapon skill combos and moving for mechanics and positionals. The people who don't do this for whatever reason aren't going to suddenly be amazing. There will still be skill and nuance, it just won't require so many buttons.

[alimdia]

That's a gross oversimplification. You will still be weaving oGCD cooldowns inbetween weapon skill combos and moving for mechanics and positionals. The people who don't do this for whatever reason aren't going to suddenly be amazing. There will still be skill and nuance, it just won't require so many buttons.

No, your argument for consolidation could be perfectly used to buffs, why not consolidate all buffs to one button that keeps changing between damage up and resistance down? What's the point of having more than 1 weaponskill and 1 buff? There's no skill in hitting different buttons after all, so let's turn everything into spam 1 to win, anything more than 1 or 2 buttons is too convoluted and overcomplicated.

[Ferth]

No, your argument for consolidation could be perfectly used to buffs, why not consolidate all buffs to one button that keeps changing between damage up and resistance down? What's the point of having more than 1 weaponskill and 1 buff? There's no skill in hitting different buttons after all, so let's turn everything into spam 1 to win, anything more than 1 or 2 buttons is too convoluted and overcomplicated.

Yeah, it sure is a slippery slope, alright... if they add combo consolidation to pve pretty soon they're gonna come after our guns.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I really don't see how pressing 1-2-3 makes the game challenging. Or how a lack thereof would make it "dumbed down" If people find that challenging in the fights..I think we have a totally different problem.

It doesn't make it challenging so much that pressing one button repeatedly to execute a combo feels boring. I mean, how often do healers complain their DPS options are boring since it primarily revolves around spamming a single button once your dots are up? Yes, each job has other abilities to help compensate but I still think consolidating to this extent is taking streamlining a step too far-- unless they incorporated multiple ways to combo abilities aka fighting games. Say like how Warrior or Ninja have multiple combos chaining off one or two skills. That would be nice but just squeezing everything into one button... I prefer what we have now, personally.

[Zigabar]

The current system isn't convoluted or bloated.

Compared to the new PVP system it is. All it's literally doing is freeing up buttons. A NIN is never going to use Gust Slash or Aeolian Edge outside of a combo, so why do they need to be separate keys?

[Moonlite]

Compared to the new PVP system it is.

This is the same player base that thinks 36 skills is the sweet spot from the other thread. So the idea of less scares them? They have never seen a proc based system? I just don't understand.