Combo Consolidation: How long before we see it in PVE?

[Ferth]

Granted it won't be completely straight forward for every class, but there are still numerous ways it could be implemented in PVE.
Being able to consolidate combos would drastically reduce the amount of finger gymnastics and separate hotkeys we would need, though.

Just brainstorming some ideas here, but let us set a hotkey as a consolidated button, then load in which abilities in which order we want them to be used.

E.G. Warriors can set up a consolidation key for the Butcher's Block Combo, a consolidation key for Maim + Storms Eye and leave Storms path as a separate hotkey cutting down 6 hotkeys to 3 hotkeys.

Monks can set up a consolidation key for flank weapon skills and a consolidation key for rear weapon skills, but it would change both based on stance so that they can still use whichever is most beneficial for the moment. 6 hot keys become 2.

This would allow us to use more hotkeys in more accessible locations for off GCD abilities.

[Saint_Angeles]

Hopefully never

[Ferth]

Hopefully never

Any particular reason you feel this way?

[Saint_Angeles]

Any particular reason you feel this way?

I like the way it's implemented now, and I think people hide behind "OMFG TOO MANY BUTTONS" instead of just honing their skill.

[Driavna]

I like the way it's implemented now, and I think people hide behind "OMFG TOO MANY BUTTONS" instead of just honing their skill.

? So, you don't have any real reason. I mean, 1-2-3 is the same than 1-1-1. In fact this only benefit elderly or players with some kind of physical characteristic reducing their chances to hit the wrong skill and breaking a combo. For your average joe once muscle memory is set nothing change.

[Saint_Angeles]

? So, you don't have any real reason.

Yeah no reason at all, aside from the rather 2 large ones that I PREFER IT and ITS UNNECESSARY.

[Daniolaut]

? So, you don't have any real reason. I mean, 1-2-3 is the same than 1-1-1. In fact this only benefit elderly or players with some kind of physical characteristic reducing their chances to hit the wrong skill and breaking a combo. For your average joe once muscle memory is set nothing change.

A proper reason why this is a horrible horrible idea:

In my opinion, to add a 1 button combo option (perform Impulse Drive > Disembowel > Chaos Thrust by pressing 1 > 1 > 1, instead of 1 > 2 > 3) ....


as well as...

Removing animation lock from abilities (actions oGCD/actions that are not weaponskills)

Would result in a need for another entire battle system overhaul.
(Akin to restoring the 1.0 combat system but to a much worse version. Continue reading...)








Currently the game is designed in such a way, that the player is mindful of their actions and their timing, as well as mindful of their characters position.

Removing the need to be mindful of the characters actions, by implementing a 1 > 1 > 1 combo system, and a Macro'ed buff button, would result in a 1 > 2 > 1 > 2 combat system. Which is worse than the original 1.0 combat system, where you spammed the "attack button" and then used other actions once you gained the appropriate amount of TP.


If they implemented what youre asking for and the 1 > 1 > 1 system they now have in PvP, they would need to add a vast array of other battle mechanic elements, or else this game would fall faster than 1.0. So no thank you.



TLDR:

So no, they should not implement the current PvP "press 1 button" combo system into PvE, nor should they remove the need to properly time abilities (oGCD actions) animation lock. As this would result in a recreation of a worse 1.0 combat system of spamming an "attack button" over and over and a "buff" button over and over. At least not without adding many more elements to the combat system.

[Ferth]

I like the way it's implemented now, and I think people hide behind "OMFG TOO MANY BUTTONS" instead of just honing their skill.

That seems like a strawman argument. I have no problem with the amount of buttons there are now but I also make use of macros for a lot of oGCD skills.

When I play warrior my Butcher's block combo is 1 > ctrl+1 > alt+1. The amount of "skill" necessary to make these adjustments is negligible but the benefit to being able to use ctrl and alt keys for oGCD would be tremendous.

It would allow me to separate some of my macrod buffs. Would I be displaying any less skill this way?

[Surake]

Honestly it would be really great to be able to have a single button for combos, even ones with different enders would be easy. Imagine you can customize them so my 1-1-1 is 1 combo 2-2-2 is another. Personally this sounds like a nice QoL improvement to me. I just came back to the game after an extended break and I'm having a real difficult time relearning any of my old jobs, so much so I started a new character to get back into the swing of it.

[Shurrikhan]

I like the way it's implemented now, and I think people hide behind "OMFG TOO MANY BUTTONS" instead of just honing their skill.

The "skill" to move their hand over a centimeter or add a modifier key for each repetition of the same decision?

You have decision A, but it's supposed to take 3 hits to succeed, and each of those in manually timeable just in case there might be a reason to delay.

"So I hit the A button, right?"
"Right."
"But, now I have to do it again, so I hit A again, right?"
"No, now you hit Shift-A."
"So after the first, add Shift?"
"Actually, on the third, it's Control, and on the fourth it's Alt, but yeah, basically. You can't have 4 hits be the same bind, after all."
"Even though they're the same decision."
"Well, I mean, you could choose to waste the GCD on a 100-potency skill without its additional effects. So you could use them separately."
"But, would you?"
"Oh, god, no. Always use them together or not at all. The point is how it ends. Just consider it as taking multiple hits to get there."
"...Okay..."

I can see how the lack of the above modifications is a reduction of something, but I can't for the life of me see how that something would be "skill".