Suggestion as to how to get people to become healers.

[SendohJin]

When i say heal heavy i mean you need heals. DO you not run every synched dungeon with a healer? give me a video and prove me wrong on that.

have done pulls where the healer DC'd and nobody dies, through thousands of dungeons this is not a one-off occurrence either. most bosses will need a healer but that doesn't make the dungeons healer HEAVY, use a better word, that word doesn't describe what you're trying to say.

[Youkulm]

have done pulls where the healer DC'd and nobody dies, through thousands of dungeons this is not a one-off occurrence either. most bosses will need a healer but that doesn't make the dungeons healer HEAVY, use a better word, that word doesn't describe what you're trying to say.

This. 100%.

If I can DPS on healer through 90% of a dungeon if not more then it is not healer heavy. The same can be said for 24 man content as well as 8 man raids.

[Kurogaea]

have done pulls where the healer DC'd and nobody dies, through thousands of dungeons this is not a one-off occurrence either. most bosses will need a healer but that doesn't make the dungeons healer HEAVY, use a better word, that word doesn't describe what you're trying to say.

True, same for me actually. Though if you are doing it without a healer, I'm betting your taking your sweet time with 1 to two pulls at a time, just because there's no healer, because you do take damage, and healers are needed.

This. 100%.

If I can DPS on healer through 90% of a dungeon if not more then it is not healer heavy. The same can be said for 24 man content as well as 8 man raids.

On 8 man raids you have 2 healers, so....doesn't count? And I doubt your dpsing 90%. Regens are basically constant group heals so its a strong 70% of healing if your dpsing often.

[Youkulm]

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The way you talk about healer, im curious how much time you spend standing around idle. Haha. Anyway i'm done baiting the troll.

[Sebazy]

On 8 man raids you have 2 healers, so....doesn't count? And I doubt your dpsing 90%. Regens are basically constant group heals so its a strong 70% of healing if your dpsing often.

80% uptime on cleric is a very realistic figure in the current expert dungeons. I'll add that a 100% uptime is very attainable in most ARR dungeons as SCH. Search for my logs if you're unsure of this, I've got runs where I test this out with people from BiS tanks and dps through to tanks in min ilvl and slaying accessories. This genuinely isn't conjecture. Just to further clarify, pulling the first two packs in Sohm Al Hard required a precast adlo going in, then lustrate and an adlo when the mobs were about half health. I could have safely gotten away with only two heals but it starts getting scary for pug tanks who might not be expecting that. Nothing else was needed over this period of about a minute beyond simply standing within fairy range. WHM/AST would need to give up a couple of extra GCDs for regens.

But back on track, the reality of it is that your view isn't much better (or different really) than the opposing 'imma kick that healer who doesn't dps' stance. I've saved runs by DPSing, I've also saved runs by not DPSing. In reality, the best stance is the one that's appropriate for the situation at hand infront of you. Going by something some guy quoted from someone else on a forum somewhere may not be appropriate for you, and on the flipside, being the rock and refusing to move on and progress in your thinking and methodology may also not be the best plan of action either.

The long and short of it is that as you grow in skill and you pick up a better understanding of the flow and pace of the encounter at hand, you'll get a better feeling for when you do need to heal and the points where you don't need to will get larger as you progress and improve. From there it's a case of deciding what you're going to do with that free time which brings us back to the true topic in this thread.

Right now you can:

A) Try to raise Little Timmy in the hope he died already, seriously that guy.
B) Pick your nose
C) Pull a card.... I mean DPS

SE would do well to address this, but it's not going to be a simple task =(

[Naunet]

When i say heal heavy i mean you need heals. DO you not run every synched dungeon with a healer? give me a video and prove me wrong on that.

Requiring a little bit of healing here and there is NOT "heal heavy".

[Ayer2015]

Back to the point of this thread. I don't think SE can do overly much to convert people to enjoying a healer role. Its kind of something you either enjoy as a play style or you don't.
I mean, I guess they can create a job that passively heals the party via doing damage, but that would prove difficult to balance.

[bardaboo]

You just can't argure with someone who wants to do the bare minimum.
Standing there watching hp bars is not an effective use of your time. Hoping the devs agree with you and remove clerics so you have an excuse to be lazy makes it even more pathetic.

[LunaFaye]

You just can't argure with someone who wants to do the bare minimum.
Standing there watching hp bars is not an effective use of your time. Hoping the devs agree with you and remove clerics so you have an excuse to be lazy makes it even more pathetic.

wondering what argure is... new drink at the bar?

[Nicobo]

...God knows I, my self, dread playing my SCH because of stance dancing. Remove that and I will play the bazoonka out of my SCH and possibly have it become my main...

But a tanks got VIT buff still will have to stance dance, so I think the example is not complete relevant.

You can be just healing if the situation is not well for stance dancing.
Replace CS by MND will reduce healer DPS mode output, and i don;t think they will balance it by increasing spell potency.
Holy was 240 on each target at the first place. They just keep nerf and nerf bcoz DPS complaining it was too shine. ^^;

Moreover, in 3 healers SCH has a great advantage that it required the leaset CS switching as a result more dps output, so after CS removing I suspect you will like AST or WHM more but not SCH..haha