Compromise: Just Charge $5 For Now. Once 2.0 is Out, Then Charge $12

[Starlord]

Yes. I still would have made it. The same cost/benefit analysis done by all consumers happens once there is an actual price affixed to any given product. This game is no different. The genesis for this thread was the announcement of billing + the BG interview, not what you assume it is.


Nope. Yoshida said what he said. I didn't take anything out of context. You'll notice that I didn't even use that particular quote of his at all in my OP.

Also notice that I referred specifically to the Blue Gartr interview and the SE official answer about how they are approaching the situation of the perception that customers are playing full price for an incomplete game.

Once you have talked to every person on every server about how they feel about paying full price for the game or what they would feel for a discounted price. This Thread amounts to nothing on what your trying to accomplish.

- Forum Polls
- The same 20- 30 people fighting over this debate
- and this thread is starting to get out of hand
- people are taking words and not the full post of what people say and twist words around

All these things amount to nothing because there isn't a strong base of people on the forums for you to justify that what you say is correct. You can't tell me or other people what's and incomplete game, only the person themselves can say that.

and I don't Particular care for the BG site but that's my view on it. So until you can find more of a " backbone" to support your Theory, then this thread all together amounts to nothing.

[Rentahamster]

All these things amount to nothing because there isn't a strong base of people on the forums for you to justify that what you say is correct.

Does this line of reasoning also apply to what you say is correct? If not, please explain.

[Starlord]

Does this line of reasoning also apply to what you say is correct? If not, please explain.

Forums= 5% of the current playerbase ( roughly)
Forums= 3% of them say discount price
Forums= 2% of them say Full price
Game= 95% left unheard

Once you have the other 95% answers then you have a backbone to support your ground

Has nothing to do with right or wrong, Its has to do with getting your facts first before shouting a claim

[Rentahamster]

Forums= 5% of the current playerbase ( roughly)
Forums= 3% of them say discount price
Forums= 2% of them say Full price
Game= 95% left unheard

Once you have the other 95% answers then you have a backbone to support your ground

Has nothing to do with right or wrong, Its has to do with getting your facts first before shouting a claim

Exactly what facts have I stated that are not correct?

I think the willingness for fans of the game to pay to play a beta test is much more high at a reduced price of $5 a month.

I think the elasticity of demand for this product is such that they'd get more than 5k subs with a price of $6.99. I'm basing this on no hard evidence whatsoever, just my gut instinct.

[Starlord]

Exactly what facts have I stated that are not correct?

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

B) You don't know who's all staying and who's all going so you can't make that assumption. ( what demand? I only see the 3% of the forums *in which they are the ones demanding for a discount* only complaining about it) You don't have enough facts to prove " A Elasticity of demand" is even called for. Gut instinct= Personal Opinion not actual Fact. SE makes that dice roll. So I suggest you leave it as such or else this back and for nonsense will just keep on Occurring.

Point is, this thread is just going back and forth beating this dead horse to the ground till it's part of the dang soil. 61 pages of:

Person A~ We need a Discount
Person B~ What for?
Person A~ Because FFXIV is a half a game!
Person B~ I don't see this as a half a game
Person A~ Your Crazy dude, this is beta still
Person C~ Yeah this is beta
Person D~ What are you talking about man Beta was last year were in 1.0 2.0 is the upgrade
Person A~ If you think this game is complete then your insane
Person B~ Im not right to have my Opinion?
Person A~ Long explaination in Troll fasion

Troll #1~ FFXIV stinks, your a loser if you like it
Troll #2~ ^This all this

Player A~ *Trys to be reasonable with Troll #1*

Troll #1~ Get off the Forums!

This is what I mean by getting out of control :/.

[Rentahamster]

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

I said that I think 1.0 essentially a beta, based on how it is just a placeholder until 2.0 is released. This is an opinion.

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

B) You don't know who's all staying and who's all going so you can't make that assumption. ( what demand? I only see the 3% of the forums *in which they are the ones demanding for a discount* only complaining about it) You don't have enough facts to prove " A Elasticity of demand" is even called for. Gut instinct= Personal Opinion not actual Fact. SE makes that dice roll. So I suggest you leave it as such or else this back and for nonsense will just keep on Occurring.

This is called opinionated analysis based on available information. I provide all the basis for my opinion in the OP. I have never claimed to have the intimate knowledge of every single player in this game. If the barrier to discussion was knowing what 100% of the player base wants for 100% certainty, we wouldn't be able to talk about anything.

This is why I made the thread. To put out the idea, and lay out my opinion based on their response to this issue in the BG interview. Nowhere did I state anything that "proved" the elasticity of demand for this game. I merely gave my analysis based on what I know about economics, sales, and the history of this game.

I called it gut instinct because it was gut instinct, and not hard stats. You are the one claiming that I did something that I clearly did not do at all.

Of course the final decision is SE's to make. They also value player opinion. I'm a player. I have an opinion. This is a forum designed to facilitate such things.

If you really don't want to carry on the discussion, then don't. You've posted "I'm done with this thread" more times than I can remember. All I'm doing is correcting the inaccuracies of what you think that I'm trying to do.

[Starlord]

I said that I think 1.0 essentially a beta, based on how it is just a placeholder until 2.0 is released. This is an opinion.


This is called opinionated analysis based on available information. I provide all the basis for my opinion in the OP. I have never claimed to have the intimate knowledge of every single player in this game. If the barrier to discussion was knowing what 100% of the player base wants for 100% certainty, we wouldn't be able to talk about anything.

This is why I made the thread. To put out the idea, and lay out my opinion based on their response to this issue in the BG interview. Nowhere did I state anything that "proved" the elasticity of demand for this game. I merely gave my analysis based on what I know about economics, sales, and the history of this game.

I called it gut instinct because it was gut instinct, and not hard stats. You are the one claiming that I did something that I clearly did not do at all.

Of course the final decision is SE's to make. They also value player opinion. I'm a player. I have an opinion. This is a forum designed to facilitate such things.

If you really don't want to carry on the discussion, then don't. You've posted "I'm done with this thread" more times than I can remember. All I'm doing is correcting the inaccuracies of what you think that I'm trying to do.

The this thread meets no purpose other than the few bits of Forumgoers (200-300 people) that talk about it.

I found out all that I needed it know. and I know that this thread in particular has no evidence.

[XxOstiaxX]

A) This is not Beta, This is Version 1.0, Version 2.0 is and upgrade to the 1.0.

B) You don't know who's all staying and who's all going so you can't make that assumption. ( what demand? I only see the 3% of the forums *in which they are the ones demanding for a discount* only complaining about it) You don't have enough facts to prove " A Elasticity of demand" is even called for. Gut instinct= Personal Opinion not actual Fact. SE makes that dice roll. So I suggest you leave it as such or else this back and for nonsense will just keep on Occurring.

Point is, this thread is just going back and forth beating this dead horse to the ground till it's part of the dang soil. 61 pages of:

Person A~ We need a Discount
Person B~ What for?
Person A~ Because FFXIV is a half a game!
Person B~ I don't see this as a half a game
Person A~ Your Crazy dude, this is beta still
Person C~ Yeah this is beta
Person D~ What are you talking about man Beta was last year were in 1.0 2.0 is the upgrade
Person A~ If you think this game is complete then your insane
Person B~ Im not right to have my Opinion?
Person A~ Long explaination in Troll fasion

Troll #1~ FFXIV stinks, your a loser if you like it
Troll #2~ ^This all this

Player A~ *Trys to be reasonable with Troll #1*

Troll #1~ Get off the Forums!

This is what I mean by getting out of control :/.

Really ? i'm pretty sure the vast majority of people around here, have been throwing the "This is a beta, or is essentially a beta" every time somebody said something negative about the game for the past year+, now suddendly it is not a beta.....

People need to take a position and stick to it :/