SE Please add jump and swiming

[Jigg]

Funny how the so-called biggest FF fans dont trust SE to implement jumping properly.

It's not the implementation that worries me, it's the abuse that will come with it. The jumpers in WoW really turned me away from using jump in a fantasy mmo setting.

[Zaireeka2025]

Leave the level 5 quest hub and your problems are solved. People don't jump around like bunnies in WoW. This is an exaggeration that is used all the time and it's simply false. Some people jump a lot, but I never see people jumping non-stop for more than 20 seconds or so. I can jump in real life. You not wanting to see me jump doesn't mean I should have my kneecaps broken.

People really need to get over this, "I don't want to see it, so it shouldn't be in the game," attitude.

THANK YOU Shipp!! This is exactly my experience with WoW and all other mmo's as well. Where the hell are these incessant jumpers?! If it was that annoying and immersion-breaking, then WoW would never have reached over 11 million subs.

[ellohwell]

Yet whenever jump is brought up the first thing people do is attack FFXI players. (just read the OP.) So of course I'll argue a point, since most arguments/suggestions for jump degrades into attacking FFXI players as a whole.



Exactly, yet I get called a 'FFXI conservative" and my stance made for me instead of putting aside the fact I play their other MMORPG which automaically means I must be against it? (Yet I have an active sub for 3 of the biggest MMOs that utilize jump in even combat >.>)

Every single time, without fail, you get up on this freaking cross...

Nobody cares that you played some game from 2003. Get over it. No wonder people accuse you of being one of those damn FFXI players. It's clearly all you ever talk about.

[ellohwell]

It's not the implementation that worries me, it's the abuse that will come with it. The jumpers in WoW really turned me away from using jump in a fantasy mmo setting.

Do you have any idea how annoying I can be with or without jump...

I can cast spells on you, I can dismount/mount chocobo 100 times a minute (lag notwithstanding), I can run in circles around you, stand inside your Roegdayn body and play hide and seeek, /dance naked in front of you, /laugh and /chuckle spam you...

I mean, dear, the list goes on.

[Onidemon]

Every single time, without fail, you get up on this freaking cross...

Nobody cares that you played some game from 2003. Get over it. No wonder people accuse you of being one of those damn FFXI players. It's clearly all you ever talk about.

You know what i'm wondering.. Jennestia say she plays WOW and other mmo that DO have jump... yet why does she if it's so annyoing, bunny like and abused so much? If i go on blizzard's forums now, will i see a thread from her begging to remove jump or does she actually have no problem with that feature in those games because they have no potential of becoming XI-2?

[Jennestia]

Nobody cares that you played some game from 2003.

If no one cared what game they play, why do people of this community always blame the players of said 2002 game for holding it back?

You know what i'm wondering.. Jennestia say she plays WOW and other mmo that DO have jump... yet why does she if it's so annyoing, bunny like and abused so much?

Because I never said it annoyed me or "breaks my immersion" like some others feel? lol it looks silly seeing ironclad people jumping like they're naked and free, but that doesn't make or break a game for me.

[options]

Do you have any idea how annoying I can be with or without jump...

I can cast spells on you, I can dismount/mount chocobo 100 times a minute (lag notwithstanding), I can run in circles around you, stand inside your Roegdayn body and play hide and seeek, /dance naked in front of you, /laugh and /chuckle spam you...

I mean, dear, the list goes on.

I really like you. Keep at it.

[Onidemon]

One more thing i'd like to add. I played WOW for years and never came across anyone who had anything to say about jump. Never heard a single complaint from anyone. I mean if it was THAT bad then for sure some people would complain or request some form of fix/solution right? Yet i heard nothing since 2004.

Only when talking to FFXI veterans have i heard such complains and was very surprised and then they wonder why we target them. I'm wondering how many of those people actually did play WOW and which are just talking to talk.

[Shipp]

Oh I have thought about it and perhaps irony isn't a good enough word for it.

Hypocrisy is much more poignant.

Spin, deflect, dodge, redefine and argue that "it's different here" 'til you're blue in the face. It is what it is. You're a hypocrite.

In the other thread, I set up a possible scenario where a given piece of rare gear, or at least two pieces of gear with the same stats but different looks - could be obtained in two possible ways. One way would be to do a difficult instanced battle, such as a hyper Ifrit type fight. The other way could be for rare world NM/HNM spawns to have a chance of dropping it. This way, those who enjoy doing instanced battles could have a shot at it, and people who enjoy hunting rare HNMs/NMs could have a shot at it. Neither piece would be superior or inferior to the other.

Such a setup would provide options to players. Not everyone enjoys doing instances. There are people who enjoy hunting and camping rare NMs (your "disbelief" of such a thing notwithstanding).

You, oh mighty Shipp on High, declared that no, those who might enjoy such an option should not be offered it, for no other reason than you don't like them. Your entire argument in that case is self-centered. It's all about you.

I didn't say that, and you're flat out lying. I said I don't want to see HNMs as they were in XI. NOBODY is going to camp them after the newness wears off if you have to sit around between the 21-24 hour mark like XI, if that gear can be easily obtainable in an instance. It's common sense, and if you need proof, go look at XI.

Oh you gave all sorts of reasons why you don't like them. But then, people in this thread have given all kinds of reasons - some quite valid and precedented - for feeling jumping isn't necessary or desirable in FFXIV. You've had an answer for them every time, haven't you? In fact, I could just copy and paste some of your myriad responses to people in this thread, and it would apply just as well to the HNM topic.

Actually, I didn't. I said I did enjoy the social aspect of camping HNMs in XI. I said there won't be social aspects when 90% of the playerbase is doing the instance and you're the only shell going out into the world and waiting 3 hours to fight the same mob with the same drops.

Go ahead and copy and paste my previous responses. I flat out told you in the other thread you assume too much. YOU are the one who made it up in your mind that I didn't find HNMs enjoyable at all. YOU are the one that has made up much, of what I never said, in your own head. Go back and read my posts after I clarified my stance on the matter. Especially the part where I said I don't mind HNMs as world spawns as long as they do not have ridiculous windows that encourage botting. THAT is an aspect of the game that encourages hacking. Jumping is not. So even if I was a hypocrite and said HNMs shouldn't be in the game whatsoever, no world spawns, whatsoever, I would still have a point, because there is a valid reason as to why they damage the game in a much bigger way than someone just not wanting to look at someone else hopping. But I never claimed that, those are the words you decided to put in my mouth.

For example, here's another one of your own statements turned against you:

"Adding jump takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

As applied to the other thread:
"Adding rare HNMs/NMs as an option to obtain certain gear takes nothing away from you, whatsoever. It does add to the enjoyment of a lot of other people though."

And I have no problem with that. I do not want HNMs that are required to camp because of better rewards, nor do I want HNMs that have 3hour long windows.

As long as you have the option to not hunt/camp the rare HNMs/NMs and have an alternative means of obtaining the item in question via an Instanced fight, then what does it matter to you that the option is there? It's not being forced on you. It's an option. So why are you so against it? Oh right... because Shipp doesn't like the idea of camping HNMs and can't fathom the idea that others actually would. I mean that is what you said in the other thread, with that appeal to incredulity you used as an actual argument.

I killed every monster in the game, besides AV, by the time ToAU came out. I camped kings regularly. Again, assumptions from you which are 100% wrong.

But of course, it's different in this case, isn't it, Shipp? Because you don't like the idea of HNMs/NMs, then it doesn't matter what others would enjoy, right? Because, it's all about you, isn't it.

No, it's not different in this case. You just simply assumed I meant something I didn't and went off on this whole personal tirade that should have never left your head. YOU are the one who assumed I said things for a certain reason. YOU are the one who said I don't like HNMs. YOU are the one who said I don't like camping HNMs, which I later clarified for you since you only want to jump to assumptions.

YOU need to take a damn chill pill and stop assuming so much about a post. It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. You just did the latter in that thread, and this one.

Shipp, there's no other way to describe it: You are a hypocrite.

Your misinformed assumptions != reality. Don't blame me because you read my posts completely different than what was actually written in them.

[Onidemon]

seeing ironclad people jumping like they're naked and free, but that doesn't make or break a game for me.

If it doesn't break a game for you, and you proved it by actually playing games that are accused of abusing it, then why don't you just let it go? What are you even arguing about here? I'm in favor of jump so i'm giving my opinion. You on the other hand put a lot of effort into something you are neutral about, if either way doesn't bother you then you shouldn't even take part in the debate as which ever side wins you should be satisfied.