Question about Palace of the Dead about a recent encounter

[Bacent]

So I'm running palace for stat ups, since I want to get the achievements for the i235 weapons you get there, as well as the occasional party to try to get to floor 200.

Now, I wanna know what the community thinks on this....

'Solo or fixed only. Matched is only for EXP speed runs'

'90 % of people are leveling in POTD, and then tourists come making runs longer'

Do people agree with this?

Should people be allowed to kick others just because they might be after silver chests and are making the run take a few extra minutes?

[SenorPatty]

So I'm running palace for stat ups, since I want to get the achievements for the i235 weapons you get there, as well as the occasional party to try to get to floor 200.

Now, I wanna know what the community thinks on this....

'Solo or fixed only. Matched is only for EXP speed runs'

'90 % of people are leveling in POTD, and then tourists come making runs longer'

Do people agree with this?

Should people be allowed to kick others just because they might be after silver chests and are making the run take a few extra minutes?

Personally, depends on what and how you're going after silver chests.

I don't mind if you explore the entire floor for them. Just please don't expect me to explore it with you. I'm the type that picks them up along the way. You try to coerce me, I'll kick you.

I don't mind if you engage monsters to get your chest, by yourself. Run into a pack of 10 and bringing them to me in an attempt to get me to help you and if we don't wipe, I'll kick you.

Any form of aggressive and/or offensive approach to get me to go actively after silver chests and I'll kick you.

EDIT: also, Idk about this "tourist" thing (does that mean exploring?). Actually Idk about any of those statements. Most of the time I run potd (and I been doing a crapton of it since its inception), I've had very, very, VERY FEW runs where someone tried to do any of the things I've mentioned to me. Take that as you will.

[Vidu]

...why are we having this discussion again?

People should be allowed to play this content however they want - "speed run" for exp or exploring for silver chests are both valid ways to play PotD. One isnt more important or valid than the other one - it is up to the party to decide how they want to engage this content.
Yes, that means talking to your teammates in DF and respecting their desire aswell. It also means that "majority rules" - since its legit to kick for difference in playstyle it can bot be legit to kick a speed runner (if the majority would rather go for chests and they're uncooperative) or someone whos going for silver chests while the other people are forced to wait for them.

I know what (some) people are gonna say - "But upgrades are more important than those 5 minutes they're saving!" For me its not so much what seems more "important" but rather about mutual respect - insisting on having it your way and taking advantage of other people is always wrong. And yes, if you're so stubborn to go and look for chests while the rest of your party is waiting for you, a kick should be allowed.

I said this mutliple times on this issue here and I will repeat myself: Communication is the key here, both sides should be willing to compromisse and obey a majority if needed. Your desire for a weapon is as valid as someone elses desire for exp - you dont have more rights to be there than them.
If either side wants to make sure they're going to have it their own way: PF works for everyone and you can solo PotD or go in without a full party. Grab a friend if you're not willing to compromisse, have respect for your fellow players! That goes for everyone - I really cant stress that enough. Uncooperative people wether they're after silver or after a fast clear should be removed from the content.

Or in other words: If you act against the intrest of the group and prioritise your own intrests above anything else, I'll assume that you'd rather play solo and hit the "queue as a group"-button by accident. So I'll do you the favour to get you out of the content.

Little sidenote for you: DF will only take you to floor 100 - after that you can only go in with a fixed group, That means you can go solo ofc but thats gonna get pretty damn hard. If you want to go past 100 you better go looking for three other people who want to do it with you.

[Tint]

i see some really big design flaws in PotD

silver chests are not more important than exp, but it's both important. this poor guy who only want silver chests gets NOTHING when you skip all the silver chests and especially when you kick him. you waste ALL his time. he wastes only a few minutes of yours, you get your exp anyway after clearing the boss. you are more self centered than anybody who goes for the silver chests, and then you are talking about respect. laughable!

[Nixxe]

I think regardless of what your priorities are, if you want to do matched, be prepared to not necessarily get your way and be a little flexible to accommodate others. If you want to guarantee you speed run or go after chests or 360 no scope trickshot all the mobs with 4 archers, use PF.

[RLofOBFL]

This is why we don't have non hallway dungeons(anymore). The "I only want to kill every mob/ skip every mob speed through, if you don't do what I want, I will kick you." mindset. This is a party based game, stop being selfish.

[Ama_Hamada]

Personally, depends on what and how you're going after silver chests.

I don't mind if you explore the entire floor for them. Just please don't expect me to explore it with you. I'm the type that picks them up along the way. You try to coerce me, I'll kick you.I don't mind if you engage monsters to get your chest, by yourself. Run into a pack of 10 and bringing them to me in an attempt to get me to help you and if we don't wipe, I'll kick you.

Any form of aggressive and/or offensive approach to get me to go actively after silver chests and I'll kick you.

EDIT: also, Idk about this "tourist" thing (does that mean exploring?). Actually Idk about any of those statements. Most of the time I run potd (and I been doing a crapton of it since its inception), I've had very, very, VERY FEW runs where someone tried to do any of the things I've mentioned to me. Take that as you will.

You are the type I kick. If people need silvers and they get aggro and you are sitting at the gate not helping, it is called not precipitating and a ToS violation on top of things. Standing there trying to prove a point (or further I met a pair that insisted of MPK/wipe) just to prove their "speed run" point. Sorry that is a ToS violation tbh, not good to do.

Should people be allowed to kick others just because they might be after silver chests and are making the run take a few extra minutes?

I find it disgusting what speed runners will do to get their way. I also get ill seeing people whine about needing to speed run when exp in this game is too fast as is. It is mind bogging to me why someone will harass someone else over time when things take so quick to begin with. Even if you did full runs killing everything, your exp rate is still faster then other games so I really do not get why people whine over people going for chests.

Ill say this though, a friend I run often with is a bit mixed. She will try uncover full map only if rooms do not go too far away from the gate. If the room is stuff with monsters and no pom, she either sacs for it or just leaves it. I do believe something should be worked out as a give and take but the problem is when 2 extreme ends refuse to cooperate (and from what I seen, speed runners give the most problems when it comes to cooperation)

Do note I picked to post this and not on my item thread, this is how strongly I feel about speed runners and their harassments. (We need a higher post cap =/) I never seen a chest runner be fully stubborn, always the chest runner trying to work something and speed runners saying "my way or the highway", while sitting on the gate, and they get the highway from me, nice kick onto it.

This is why we don't have non hallway dungeons(anymore). The "I only want to kill every mob/ skip every mob speed through, if you don't do what I want, I will kick you." mindset. This is a party based game, stop being selfish.

I really do not understand why people feel the need to be selfish over exp rates in this game since you get it more then fast enough, I think people exp too fast and part of the reason we see people 60 and in 270 gear not knowing rotations.

[SenorPatty]

You are the type I kick. If people need silvers and they get aggro and you are sitting at the gate not helping, it is called not precipitating and a ToS violation on top of things. Standing there trying to prove a point (or further I met a pair that insisted of MPK/wipe) just to prove their "speed run" point. Sorry that is a ToS violation tbh, not good to do.

How is this a ToS violation? I've clearly stated equal measures for me and the party member: if he/she want's to do all room, I'm okay with it. I'm not holding anyone hostage since I've fulfilled the criteria of opening the passage. All I'm expecting from the other player is the equal courtesy to not demand from me to explore all rooms just like I'm not demanding the player to come to the gate if they have unfinished buisiness (such as finding their chest).

I would not purposely drag an entire mob of rooms to my other party members If I was looking for chests just in the same way I expect them not to do me the same.

I would not harass or be aggressive with someone if they didn't come with me for chests just like I expect them to do the same.


So please enlighten me Ama, how am I breaking the ToS?

EDIT: May I also remind you that I've already stated that I pick chests along the way? All types >.>

[Skyrior]

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[Astrus]

I mostly do my matched party PotD runs with two acquaintances so in most of the cases where there's debate about opening chests or not majority rules. Given our averge aetherpool level we will start peeking into every room along the way starting at floor 71 but don't mind doing so earlier if asked. If the random person wants to hang out by the portal while we do our thing they're welcome to.

With that said I occasionally go solo with a matched party and only had an issue there once.
Floors 51-60 (and 1-10) are inofficially known as the speedrunners domain on my server, if I see everyone making a beeline for the portal as soon as it's activated I'll follow suit on those floors. On the other floors nobody has ever taken offence at me splitting off from the party occasionally to peek into a room. Most of the times where I do find a silver chest there's even one or two people coming over to speed up killing the mobs that guard it.

Now the one time I had an issue? Floors 91-100, all DPS party, and I had the audacity to suggest we open gold chests until we get a pomander of resolution to help with the boss. This did not sit well with one of the other players causing them to complain we should hurry it up and get to the boss so they can get their kill and ability to upgrade their padjali weapon to kinna.
Attempting to explain that what the rest of the party is doing would ensure we'd have an easier time of getting them their kill did nothing.
Around floor 94 they snapped, ran off to grab a room full of mobs and tried to wipe the party by dragging them over.
Only that the other three of us didn't engage. We watched in fascination, sidestepping the occasional aoe, as they murdered him then reset to their room.
We left him tanking the floor and spewing profanity and went back to opening chests. The idea was to scrape him off the floor on the way to the portal after we were finished getting chests but they chose to quit before that. We got a healer as a replacement on the next floor.