100M GIL taken

[LineageRazor]

I think the major misunderstanding when it comes to FC ranks is this:

THERE IS NO HEIRARCHY.

All ranks are equal. Giving one more permissions than others does not make it a "higher" rank. The order that ranks appear in in your list does not indicate higher or lower, either. This is the mistake that folks make when they set their FC permissions, and I don't know how clear the game makes this fact.

The ranking system is built for extreme flexibility. If you want, you can create a specific rank that can plant and harvest, but can't adjust furnishings, and call it "Gardener". You can create a rank that does nothing but let a player mess with furnishings and call it "Interior Decorator". You can make a "Treasurer" rank who can handle the FC gil, but can't touch the garden or adjust furnishings. Whatever crazy ranks you want to implement, the sky's the limit! Once you understand that, the fact that there's no hierarchy becomes a bit clearer. After all, which would be considered "higher rank"? Gardener, Decorator, or Treasurer? They're all just jobs.

Most players, though, intuitively implement a ranking system that gives more permissions to higher-ranked individuals, rather than create niche ranks for different activities. After creating this tiered ranking system, they assume that the "Promote" command will only allow promotion up to a specific rank - but the problem is that there is no "up". Promote allows you to assign any rank to any individual, because all ranks are at the same level, regardless of the permissions they grant.

Is there a way to fix this? Honestly, the best way would be to implement what folks are asking for: enforce the ranking hierarchy that is implied. Almost none of the "freedom" is lost by this; all you need to do is make sure that the ranks you choose to have the "Promote" ability are in the top slots of the hierarchy. Since Promotion is the ONLY ability that cares about hierarchy at all, you're then completely free to craft whatever odd rank types you like, in any order that you like, below the ranks that have Promotion. I don't know how easy this is for devs to implement, however, or whether they even care. For now, the best we can do is try to keep folks informed, make sure that they understand how powerful the Promote command is.

[Nyerieri]

I think the major misunderstanding when it comes to FC ranks is this:

THERE IS NO HEIRARCHY.

All ranks are equal. Giving one more permissions than others does not make it a "higher" rank. The order that ranks appear in in your list does not indicate higher or lower, either. This is the mistake that folks make when they set their FC permissions, and I don't know how clear the game makes this fact.

The ranking system is built for extreme flexibility. If you want, you can create a specific rank that can plant and harvest, but can't adjust furnishings, and call it "Gardener". You can create a rank that does nothing but let a player mess with furnishings and call it "Interior Decorator". You can make a "Treasurer" rank who can handle the FC gil, but can't touch the garden or adjust furnishings. Whatever crazy ranks you want to implement, the sky's the limit! Once you understand that, the fact that there's no hierarchy becomes a bit clearer. After all, which would be considered "higher rank"? Gardener, Decorator, or Treasurer? They're all just jobs.

Most players, though, intuitively implement a ranking system that gives more permissions to higher-ranked individuals, rather than create niche ranks for different activities. After creating this tiered ranking system, they assume that the "Promote" command will only allow promotion up to a specific rank - but the problem is that there is no "up". Promote allows you to assign any rank to any individual, because all ranks are at the same level, regardless of the permissions they grant.

Is there a way to fix this? Honestly, the best way would be to implement what folks are asking for: enforce the ranking hierarchy that is implied. Almost none of the "freedom" is lost by this; all you need to do is make sure that the ranks you choose to have the "Promote" ability are in the top slots of the hierarchy. Since Promotion is the ONLY ability that cares about hierarchy at all, you're then completely free to craft whatever odd rank types you like, in any order that you like, below the ranks that have Promotion. I don't know how easy this is for devs to implement, however, or whether they even care. For now, the best we can do is try to keep folks informed, make sure that they understand how powerful the Promote command is.

I hope your post actually helps the majority on this thread actually understand what I've been saying this entire time, but with a lot less words. I sincerely mean it is the best response to this topic to date!

[Senn]

I hope your post actually helps the majority on this thread actually understand what I've been saying this entire time, but with a lot less words. I sincerely mean it is the best response to this topic to date!

The people you're responding to seem to understand how the system works, and they want it changed. Even the person you quoted acknowledges people are requesting for a change in how ranking is currently enforced;

Is there a way to fix this? Honestly, the best way would be to implement what folks are asking for: enforce the ranking hierarchy that is implied.

I hope this post actually helps Nyerieri actually understand what everyone has been saying this entire time, and I did it in a lot less words so Nyerieri can understand. I sincerely mean it!

[Nyerieri]

People understand how the system works, and they want it changed. Even the person you quoted acknowledges people are requesting for a change in how ranking is currently enforced;



I hope this post actually helps Nyerieri actually understand what everyone has been saying this entire time, and I did it in a lot less words so Nyerieri can understand. I sincerely mean it!

I hope this post of mine helps remind everyone that you should go make another topic "Promotion/Demotion needs reworked" and try to get an official response from SE (instead of cramming it in this thread that is titled "100m gil taken (((but I gave them the promote/demote permission not knowing how it works, and the person promoted themselves up and took the gil. Please add a confirmation box for every single permission in the FC making me acknowledge I know how this works, since I can't be bothered to look up how a permission works on a multitude of websites!))) ). Quite a few said they were going to start one but I'm still waiting! Here is your daily reminder!

[Senn]

I hope this post of mine helps remind everyone that you should go make another topic "Promotion/Demotion needs reworked"

But I don't care about the rankings personally. I just saw you getting triggered and being willfully ignorant about what people were actually requesting.

[Nyerieri]

But I don't care about the rankings personally. I just saw you getting triggered and being willfully ignorant about what people were actually requesting.

Me? nah. I'm not the one being willfully ignorant either (or a troll in your case). I said for the last few pages to make a topic regarding exactly promotion/demotion. People like to post topics at least once a week about getting robbed in one way or another in a FC (usually stemming around the promote/demote option or being willfully ignorant on how many days it takes before lead passes). If you make the said topic, they would have a lot better chance of getting a response from square. I said it once and I'll say it again, I believe it needs to be fixed, but the chances of getting a dev reply here is slim since no one wants to make a topic about promote / demote. Till the next topic regarding this same situation - cya.

[ToasterMan]

Me? nah. I'm not the one being willfully ignorant either (or a troll in your case). I said for the last few pages to make a topic regarding exactly promotion/demotion. People like to post topics at least once a week about getting robbed in one way or another in a FC (usually stemming around the promote/demote option or being willfully ignorant on how many days it takes before lead passes). If you make the said topic, they would have a lot better chance of getting a response from square. Till the next topic regarding this same situation - cya.

You wanted it, you got it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...all-privilages

[Senn]

(or a troll in your case)

I would never do such a thing. :^(

[Valenth]

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You are completely right here with the opted solution solution. To answer your potential first question, assuming it wasn't rethoric, the game imho doesn't make it clear at all how it works. No tutorial, tooltip or proper warning/safeguard designed. I would argue the use of the word 'rank' even stimulates thinking of the system as being a hierarchy. Allow me to link the Cambridge definition: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/rank

"a position in an organization, such as the army, showing the importance of the person having it"
"a particular position, higher or lower than others"

Of course a bit below is this one and perhaps this is the one the localisation went for:

"a row, especially of people or things standing side by side"

Perhaps if they had called it something like 'role' or 'job' some of the initial confusion would have been avoided, though I still suspect some would have made the mistake purely because of the abundance of other games that do use a hierarchy in their guild systems. I would just say the process of proper encoding on dev side and decoding on players' side is a bit out of whack here. It's even more sad some *ahum* twats decide to abuse it and inflict so much harm on people like the OP. It's a very unfortunate cascading failure that took place here, starting with something so simple.


Edit: A forgive me, I see you already pointed this out in the follow up thread. I hadn't read further in this thread before making this post

Edit2: I just noticed that if you want to change the settings, the option is even called "hierarchy settings"... :/