SE Please add jump and swiming

[Onidemon]

Not even one of the reasons, I've been keeping up with a lot of gaming sites in both Japan and western shores -- FFXI players aren't the reason they refuse to return to XIV, the fact XIV is still for all intents and purposes a bad game compared to X MMORPG as they say, is the reason.



I've yet to see this, what I do see however is people who are heavily against FFXI's existence spinning everything around into someone wanting a FFXI-2.

I used to be a FFXI fan, i played that game for a whole year. Every single day for hours and hours and i did enjoy myself very much. Made great friends and good memories. I loved that game but then stopped playing because it was eating too much of my time.

Then a friend convinced me to play WOW, i was hooked after the first day and never looked back. Once i got tired of WOW i tried other mmos out there, like Conan and Warhammer and liked what these games had to offer to and let me tell you that while i had only but good memories of FFXI, it is very outdated. It doesn't cut it anymore.... they are way behind everyone else and just don't provide or satisfy like any of the newer mmos, even the ones who failed.

It was good while it lastest, when it was it's time to shine, but now the genre has evolved and it couldnt keep up. So why would i want 2011-12 MMORPG to be like a 8yr old game that has been surpassed by other games countless times before?

[Jennestia]

While I don't agree with the people who don't want to see jump in this game, a person expressing their desire to not have jump is not the same as wanting the game to be ffxi-2. At least I don't think so.

Which is kind of funny, I couldn't jump in Rappelz..so why is no one saying people want FFXIV to be Rappelz-2 if they don't support jump?

I couldn't jump in Ragnarok...why not Ragnarok Online-2 then? o.O This is exactly why those who say "You want FFXI-2!" just really refuse to actually undestand the concept of "take what works, make it better and profit, not throw it out and make people think you've never made an MMORPG before."

[Onidemon]

Which is kind of funny, I couldn't jump in Rappelz..so why is no one saying people want FFXIV to be Rappelz-2 if they don't support jump?

I couldn't jump in Ragnarok...why not Ragnarok Online-2 then? o.O This is exactly why those who say "You want FFXI-2!" just really refuse to actually undestand the concept of "take what works, make it better and profit, not throw it out and make people think you've never made an MMORPG before."

People say that because most of people against jump Quote FFXI and say FFXI didn't have or need it so FFXIV shouldn't have it either.

They keep Bringing up FFXI and use it as their main argument against jump.

[Jennestia]

They bring up FFXI because:

Final Fantasy XI:
Developer(s): Square Product Development Division 3 (pre-April 1, 2003)
Square Enix Product Development Division 3

Final Fantasy XIV:
Developer(s): Square Enix Product Development Division 3

They've created 2 successful MMOs prior to XIV, including another Final Fantasy title, which had all of the basics as well as 10 years worth of experience including content creation -- This is why people bring up FFXI but it doesn't mean people want a FFXI-2 when people say Square should have taken what worked from XI and incorporated it into XIV. Making a -2 would FFX > FFX-2, which took place in the same world, same people, same storyline but it also added a lot of new features and refined the battle system.

I've only seen a couple of people say XIV shouldn't have jump because XI didn't..I've seen a lot more say it shouldn't because the game doesn't need it currently nor would it solve problems by just adding it.

[IveraIvalice]

Yet tons of people said that the same thing can be said about emotes and any other feature, everything can be abused. Not only that but we gave you solutions, like putting a cooldown for jump so it doesn't get abused. But still you act like you didn't hear us and come up with the same old and tired argument that was dismissed a hundred times. And to put some weight behind your argument, you quote FFXI.....

I played XI, i played WOW, Aion, Warhammer, LOTRO, Ragnarok 1 and 2 Beta, Perfect world and i'm forgeting some I'm sure. But the point is i played many MMOs and seen different aspects of MMORPG game play. You on the other hand like most FFXI fans, haven't played anything but that so how can you argue that the best reason for not having jump is because FFXI didn't?

Street fighter 2 didn't have super or ultra moves, yet i'm not gonna say SF4 doesn't need them. Times change my friend, you need to evolve and let go of your nostalgia.

first off, the reason i mentioned FFXI was because i was giving the example of immersion not the fact that they didnt add jump also. read: "along with FFXI that you actually feel like its another world of PEOPLE".

second: any action can be abused sure but its not something that would be an obvious unaturality. people can smile and laugh all they want, it happens in the real world, so one person abusing emotes doesnt ruin immersion. however, everyone on screen jumping over and over again to walk does.
third: there is nothing wrong with being a fan of a game and liking what they did, and as you said: "Times change my friend, you need to evolve and let go of your nostalgia." jumping doesnt need to be the standard anymore. your the one trying to make it into the same as everything else. like the games that you yourself listed. but times change and you need to get over the fact that a game doesnt need to be good just because you can jump on every house, swim down every ocean, and fly on every bird you find.
adding a cool down would be more tolerable, and i will say, i didnt see that listed so dont act like im the entire "jumping con community" however it would need to be adjusted to not be too long and too short, along with the fact that adding jump is adding another dimension of movement and thus causes alot more problems which will also need to be heavily adjusted and i think they have enough on there hands.

and the problems i mean, adjusting collisions on every object you can reach, what happens when you land on top of something, do you stay on it or slide off, can you use that to reach places that arent intended to get to, and then that breaks things.

and i would lasty like to ask you to control yourself, theres no need to pop a blood vessel on someone who just started talking in the conversation. dont assume that everyone knows everything

[Nikita]

Which is kind of funny, I couldn't jump in Rappelz..so why is no one saying people want FFXIV to be Rappelz-2 if they don't support jump?

I couldn't jump in Ragnarok...why not Ragnarok Online-2 then? o.O This is exactly why those who say "You want FFXI-2!" just really refuse to actually undestand the concept of "take what works, make it better and profit, not throw it out and make people think you've never made an MMORPG before."

Its the exact same thing as all the people comparing it to WoW. "Go back to WoW" "This is turning into a WoW clone" etc. These features were in more games than just WoW, and just because you didn't like something in WoW doesn't mean FFXIV can't do it better.

[Onidemon]

They bring up FFXI because:





They've created 2 successful MMOs prior to XIV, including another Final Fantasy title, which had all of the basics as well as 10 years worth of experience including content creation -- This is why people bring up FFXI but it doesn't mean people want a FFXI-2 when people say Square should have taken what worked from XI and incorporated it into XIV. Making a -2 would FFX > FFX-2, which took place in the same world, same people, same storyline but it also added a lot of new features and refined the battle system.

I've only seen a couple of people say XIV shouldn't have jump because XI didn't..I've seen a lot more say it shouldn't because the game doesn't need it currently nor would it solve problems by just adding it.

It might not be your case but i've seen many say they wish this to be FFXI. I'm not refering to those who simply want 1 or 2 things that FFXI did right, i'm talking about those who openly say they wished this was FFXI-2 and not in terms of world or lore but how the game plays etc.

WOW is by far the best MMOrpg i played and enjoyed it very much but if Blizzard were to come up with WOW 2, i wouldn't want it to be the same game with better graphics. I would expect a complete different experience. I would expect it to have the standard features of course, but i would want it to offer something new and different. If i wanted the same experience over again but with a new story i would just go back to the original and wait for yet another expansion.

[DNO]

Unfortuneately, Yoshi may remove jump because of the complaining. Because generally when something is implemented or is going to be implemented, the only real feedback they hear are the complainers. The most vocal are the one's who dislike something, the one's who like it are generally playing the game.

Jump should be implemented, the reason is in the OP. Where he mentions ifrit. When he throws down the void, you can slowly run out of it or you could instantly jump out of it. 1 or 2 secs of void damage, or no void damage. Hmmm, its not rocket science incase your wondering which i'd prefer.

Hey thanks! i think that is a fun way to use jump.

[DNO]

Not even one of the reasons, I've been keeping up with a lot of gaming sites in both Japan and western shores -- FFXI players aren't the reason they refuse to return to XIV, the fact XIV is still for all intents and purposes a bad game compared to X MMORPG as they say, is the reason. You just really dislike FFXI as well as people who play it, which is cool, but don't think for a minute just because someone else plays another MMORPG by Square Enix they're why no one wants to play FFXIV. You should remember how Square wanted people to play both MMOs, hence the discount for those who played both.



I've yet to see this, what I do see however is people who are heavily against FFXI's existence spinning everything around into someone wanting a FFXI-2. However using this line of thinking, anyone who wants Jump is basically wanting FFXIV to turn into (MMORPG)-2, I can listed quite a bit of MMOs that would make XIV a "-2" but here's 2 examples:

I can jump in Eden Eternal, therefore FFXIV would be Eden Eternal-2.

I can jump in Rift, therefore FFXIV would be Rift-2 with a jump feature added.

The only thing on these forums is people who've played FFXI saying SE should have taken the good and what worked and made it better, not turn Eorzea into Vanadiel, otherwise those wanting XIV to be more action based wants this game to be another Arborea (Tera).

Its like talking to a wall lol.

[ZakarnRosewood]

ok, i'm sure this has all been brought up before but i would like to mention it anyway.

I only hope they will be smart about adding in the jumping and swimming, keep it with the realistic feel. Perhaps have a stamina bar so you can only jump a certain amount of times, maybe have it like ffxiii where you only jump at certain points where it's needed or auto hop over rocks in your path. and think of this, when was the last time you jumped in real life?

for swimming, again please make it realistic. Can you swim in full plate mail? how about even just in normal clothes, how long could you tread water? they should make it part of the game where you will need to change equipment to swim through water or maybe a requirement to fight a creature at the bottom of the sea that you should wear heave clothes. on top of that they will need to have a spell or some kind of item to help you breath underwater if you want to have underwater battles. (think Final Fantasy I, how you got to go underwater to fight Kracken.)

I'm all for swimming and jumping as long as they do it properly. and if you are adding in jumping and swimming, how about climbing? (shadow of the colossus) My initial reaction to these concepts was to push back, i really didnt like them. after thinking about it for a while i have come to realize it may not be terrible just as long as they do it properly. Please Yoshi-P, if you want to add these features, be smart about it and keep with the ambiance of the game.