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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    Not for me and maybe because I have a IRL job? I don't mind paying extra for services I frequently use, just another way to help out a bit.

    I am not against inventory or retainer space upgrades, don't get that twisted, but I doubt that SE needs to give out 6 free retainers plus a upgrade of inventory every 2 years. A bit to much to ask for don'tcha think?
    Some people do not like feeling ripped off, that is you. Way I feel SE item bloats the game hoping more people buy retainers more so then offering a luxury. Who said anything about giving away 6 free retainers though? O_o

    Also you are off, we needed an increase since HW, 3 new jobs is why, SB needs an increase because more items to gather and 2 more jobs. I do not know about every 2 years but when you add that much, yes you need an increase. What is a bit much is going from the release to HW to a new expand, without addressing inventory at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    Some people do not like feeling ripped off, that is you. Way I feel SE item bloats the game hoping more people buy retainers more so then offering a luxury. Who said anything about giving away 6 free retainers though? O_o

    Also you are off, we needed an increase since HW, 3 new jobs is why, SB needs an increase because more items to gather and 2 more jobs. I do not know about every 2 years but when you add that much, yes you need an increase. What is a bit much is going from the release to HW to a new expand, without addressing inventory at all.
    Ripped off huh? since dev costs have only gone up, but game and sub prices have not, I feel that this is not the case, but then, thats just me.

    Also, they aren't adding item bloat to make you buy retainers, you are hoarding everything that you ever obtain. Stop doing this, and you need a lot less space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    Not for me and maybe because I have a IRL job? I don't mind paying extra for services I frequently use, just another way to help out a bit.
    That is special IRL job. You should get a cookie, maybe your employer will give you a pat on the head. It is not about the individual cost. I doubt most people blink at spending that money some where else. It is about enabling poor design within the system they have. I see it the same as a dev that does a bad port of a game to an older system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Ripped off huh? since dev costs have only gone up.
    Dev costs are not the biggest cost of MMO's. So even if the dev costs have gone up the nickle and diming of server structure and bandwidth has saved them. Bloat like all the luminous crystals, beast tokens, materia, anima steps,daily and weekly scrips, and that doesn't even include glamours. Two retainers is stretching it. Either they reevaluate itemization/design or adjust retainer space.

    But people like you guys are happy to give companies money for sub par product and defend them. So when microsoft uses sub par producers and get rrod or apple uses sub par mats in iphones and they have to be replaced every other year. That isn't going to change and no amount of explaining will help. They trust that you will keep lining up and absorb the losses from people who don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Ripped off huh? since dev costs have only gone up, but game and sub prices have not, I feel that this is not the case, but then, thats just me.

    Also, they aren't adding item bloat to make you buy retainers, you are hoarding everything that you ever obtain. Stop doing this, and you need a lot less space.
    Really? The game makes you hold on things. Remember the high summoner stuff? How long we needed to hold on that item we need trade in? Or when shire weapon took 7 weeks to get (now 4) while needing 3 weeks of script (now 2) Or how alex parts was on weekly and you needed 4 for a body? 2 weeks of red script item toupgrade a tool.... You need 2 weapons to do some upgrade quests, the thing you are upgrading and something else because some require you have it not equipped, the item bloat like this adds up and unnecessary. Also just because you do not care to glam 13/16/24 jobs differently, does not mean you can call people who do, "horders" 99 items for a mount? are you going to kill niddy extreme 99 times in a day because you are unlucky? or same for any other like that? Fates that pop every 1-3 days, or you find it 1-3 days, and you need do this twice for a glam? 5 days holding on moonstones for 2 sands, oh I am sure someone is going to get 74 umbrite in a day (sands by crafting is possible though) There is plenty of currency in the game the game makes you hold onto for a while.

    Another reason WoW does not have issues like this is because each job (character) has its own inventory. This should be factored in when giving enough space and I am fairly sure there is no gather gear or crafting gear to worry about past gathering tools.

    It is also clear to me a lot of people are concerned about this issue as I am. 43 likes for a thread not even 48 hours old is impressive to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlite View Post
    That is special IRL job. You should get a cookie, maybe your employer will give you a pat on the head. It is not about the individual cost. I doubt most people blink at spending that money some where else. It is about enabling poor design within the system they have. I see it the same as a dev that does a bad port of a game to an older system.



    Dev costs are not the biggest cost of MMO's. So even if the dev costs have gone up the nickle and diming of server structure and bandwidth has saved them. Bloat like all the luminous crystals, beast tokens, materia, anima steps,daily and weekly scrips, and that doesn't even include glamours. Two retainers is stretching it. Either they reevaluate itemization/design or adjust retainer space.

    But people like you guys are happy to give companies money for sub par product and defend them. So when microsoft uses sub par producers and get rrod or apple uses sub par mats in iphones and they have to be replaced every other year. That isn't going to change and no amount of explaining will help. They trust that you will keep lining up and absorb the losses from people who don't.
    Agree completely (though since you said materia, how would you address that exactly? I do not see a way of changing it nor a big need for it)
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 04-30-2017 at 08:50 AM.