As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[AmeliaVerves]

"It's not me! The others started!"

Sorry, but this is what your text sounds like to me.
I don't care what people said or did pages ago, because I was talking to you and you are generalizing, which is neither fair nor nice. Just because people were rude or whatever it doesn't mean I am, so as a matter of fact, actually you put up a parataxic distortion, believing I would be 'turning things you say into piss', while I did not.

Is it shitty that people treated you badly? Yes.
Did I do the same? No.
Is it unfair to expect me to be the same? Yes.

I don't involve in personal discussions people have and I think a lot of people don't, that's why noone picked up on others being rude.
Well, in fact I just did 2 pages ago, when I asked Sebazy about the neccassity of his post where he was impolite (attention! impolite, not rude! impolite < rude) to you.
And Sebazy didn't took it personal, but just explained where that was coming from and it was ok. People have different oppinions and points of view. It's just really irritating that you keep repeating yourself in circles over and over again, Feyona.

Here I would say, from reading posts that people have already put me into a certain frame of reference (from earler significant others) and expect my responses to be derrogatory towards them, which I actually never intended but have been put in that 'box' Therefore anything I say is perceived as being aimed at them as intentional attack or something even when it isnt, but gets distorted in by the expectation from one in that category. So if you perceive me as saying burden that its aimed at you that is parataxic distortion. But being as I noted your not english and I wrote it badly it was innappropriate. Hope that answers your question

Apart from the fact that your grammar is lacking and the sentences are not really logical, you are explaining what other people said that can be considered as parataxic distortion, but not what I said and that was what I asked for.

if you perceive me as saying burden that its aimed at you

This sentence is... well, whatever, I think I get it. You talked about burden in general and because you keep referring to pressure=burden=wanting healers to DPS and because I kicked someone who refused to, the conclusion was logical to relate that all together and come to the point where one could say you meant me as well, talking about that burden.
But even if that was untrue, it has nothing to do with a parataxic distortion, but with simple misunderstanding someones intentions.
When you hear trotting hoof, it doesn't need to come from zebras. Could possibly just be horses. Meaning: There doesn't need to be a complex meaning behind something, but a simple circumstance.

Probably I did the same mistake combining the burden and me kicking someone as well, but try to be more clearly who you are addressing when you say things like that! That will prevent such misunderstandings.

[Wanzer]

It isnt trying to be arrogant to have an education, but like bounddreamer said its the audience that I should be careful of addressing.

Bounddreamer mentioned education, I just followed on.

It's not what Bounddreamer said. When you are talking to a large audience, composed of people from everywhere, you can't really use specific terms from specific formations, or you would only build walls between you and the participants.

And you are still avoiding the question from Amelia. As you did for some people before.
When you put a new argument, you have to come with the proof to support it. It's not your interlocutor who has to find them for you. It's not how a discussion works.

Just go take a look to my previous comment, the chart could be very useful for your future social interactions.

[AmeliaVerves]

Apart from that Im just done in with th game , the healer dps meta being shoved down my throat, the high expections, the fighting here, I just give in. What more do you want?

This is a parataxic distortion, because I never said I want you to give in or back up from the game.



Btw:
Nice play to keep editing your post without a sign you are doing so anyone could wait and get all that you are saying.

Just go study it amelia.

Whatever, you should not bring up terms you can't explain or relate properly and as you said, it was misplaced and did not relate to anything. Therefore, we should let it go.
I deleted what I said about me having studied the english language and proposed that to you, because it is not helpful. Sorry for that one.

[Judge_Xero]

Top spot that, my dots were reasonably on point compared to James, he gets a bunch of extra malefics in but the biggest difference is in him gravitying the add which is something that never occurred to me, I just use it as a window to refresh my dots and little else. If people are slacking the add might get a combust as well, but that's about it from me. Good tip thank you <3

Yeah once the add pops and he starts using Gravity and I drop to the lowest DPS I feel like a scrub. My Roused Whispering Dawn is timed to heal both tanks through until the add dies and James has regens ticking as well that's why our overheal is through the roof but we can both go ham on DPS, which we need to because aside from free AOE skills the rest of the group is burning the boss so we only get 1 Optical sight so that leaves James and I to kill the add.

Delving into the A12S comparisons too, my immediate observation is how good James' DPS is despite not gravitying the initial add pack. I find I can get at least 1 gratis aoe in there as long as I go into that phase with essential dignity up. I'm then almost immediately drawn to how good his dot uptime is during stasis. I thought I had that point reasonably covered but he is slaying me there.

We try to DPS a lot at the start so we can skip Gravitational Anomaly.
- Holmgang Punishing Heat -> Tank swap so no one has to do major heals on the War
- James covers both Prey targets so I can keep DPSing and he somehow adds a lot of Melefic II's -> aggressive Main Heals
- All I add now with Echo is a Virus timed to cover both Mega Holy's and an Indom between the two Mega Holy's and timed Rouse Whispering Dawn to help with the Prey Targets as well as Fey Illumination

Aside from me getting my dots up on the big group of adds and James getting a Gravity off we don't DPS them much because our tanks are in DPS stance and don't use any major CD's.

For the two big adds I position my Fairy to get Roused Whispering Dawn up on both tanks and we both get to DPS a lot. We can kill the Time before it gets two attacks off but it's too fast for Wildfire wouldn't go off so now we have to let at least two attacks go off before it dies, by people jumping onto the Might.

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We use a lot of Living Dead and Holmgang to buy more DPS time and we also do 3 man Timegates. We LB the Healer add (Time) and put the Healer in the DPS add (Winged) so James can just DPS the whole time there.
I stay out because my pet can keep up with the required healing outside of the first AOE stack which I use Emergency Succor + Indom and then use my Roused Fairy Regen which covers the rest of the heals until the rest of the group comes back.

Don't suppose you guys have an A12s from his pov?

For reference:

Seb A12S Combust II uptime
James A12S Combust II uptime

Oh and another useful thing to come from this discussion!

I uh.....

Just realised I've been using Malefic 1 for the past week....

This is why I don't do levelling roulette on capped classes =(

S**t tier dps confirmed =(

We don't have any of his POV sorry. That's hilarious about Malefic. Reminds me of getting level synced because I only carry Ruin II on my hotbar.

You are doing great though. Having a SCH co-heals buys a lot more time for MH DPS but you still manage to push out a lot with AST co-heals.

[bounddreamer]

Well I've had A12S farmed out as a tank, last night I was encouraged to main heal A9S and got two clears before the group disbanded. (The party leader got his dps friend a clear and the second run had a few wipes so I think that was why.)

I went in on WHM and oh boy, did I overheal that. The SCH was very good about staying in CS. But since it was my first time healing it, even though I know the fight so well, it was hard gauging my dps windows as main healer. They were definitely there but I wasn't comfortable taking advantage of them.

It was really fun, though. I think I'd happily try healing at least A10S and maybe even A11S.

Going in with a pug made me very wary of staying in CS longer than putting up dots. x_X And I've been spoiled for not seeing double scrapline anymore. Pugs get all the way to bombs. T_T

[Sebazy]

/opens the party finder list and searches for A12S pugs.
/spots two with a healer spot open, both have the MT spot locked to PLD only.
/nope

=(

[bounddreamer]

/opens the party finder list and searches for A12S pugs.
/spots two with a healer spot open, both have the MT spot locked to PLD only.
/nope

=(

But why tho T_T

Our MT mains PLD and he goes DRK for A12S. I know at least one other static on our server that does that... and theirs has a MNK...

[Sebazy]

Got a fairly solid A12S pug run tonight and a new personal best whoop whoop. Still felt like I left a little on the table in places though, it'd also be interesting to get a second opinion on my perhaps rather excessive dot clipping (for the sake of a few extra ticks here and there). The log is up already and the youtube clip is uploading at a scorching 30kps. Assuming I haven't flooded google off the internet I'll hopefully be able to link it tomorrow.

Critique will be welcomed <3

[Sebazy]

As promised <3

A12S pug, AST pov - Log

As far as my self critique goes:

I messed up the start a little bit, the aero resist followed by clipping my dots sooner than I needed to cost me a little bit. I might have also swore slightly when collective unconscious refused to take hold on the tanks during the first wave of adds. (I will also note that I used to use lightspeed during the add phase as well for a little extra MP conservation during the helios spam, unfortunately faster groups can get to stasis before it's back up now which can make an early sacrament rather dangerous).

The bard death only really cost me a single GCD so I can't gripe there, I did mess up and apply a round of dots without cleric stance up just before inception tho, I spotted it within a couple of ticks but I imagine that still cost me somewhat =(

Whilst I don't feel like I left much on the table, my DPS is still a way off the mark I think. Am I missing a window? Am I costing myself DPS by clipping dots where I am? Or is it purely a case of optimisation (likely beyond what I'm going to get in a pug) from here on forward?

Thoughts and questions are welcomed of course!

[Judge_Xero]

As promised <3

A12S pug, AST pov - Log

As far as my self critique goes:

I messed up the start a little bit, the aero resist followed by clipping my dots sooner than I needed to cost me a little bit. I might have also swore slightly when collective unconscious refused to take hold on the tanks during the first wave of adds. (I will also note that I used to use lightspeed during the add phase as well for a little extra MP conservation during the helios spam, unfortunately faster groups can get to stasis before it's back up now which can make an early sacrament rather dangerous).

The bard death only really cost me a single GCD so I can't gripe there, I did mess up and apply a round of dots without cleric stance up just before inception tho, I spotted it within a couple of ticks but I imagine that still cost me somewhat =(

Whilst I don't feel like I left much on the table, my DPS is still a way off the mark I think. Am I missing a window? Am I costing myself DPS by clipping dots where I am? Or is it purely a case of optimisation (likely beyond what I'm going to get in a pug) from here on forward?

Thoughts and questions are welcomed of course!

Here's my though, hope it's helpful. Some of the things are a bit much for a Pug, but most of the SCH things I feel a SCH could be contributing if they've made it to A12S. You really carried the SCH in your video.

Tricks - Noct Aspected Helios at the start because it lasts longer than spread adlo
for the start - Spread Adlo takes few seconds to set up so it wont last into the party soak.

Opener - Have the SCH have Selene out and start to cast Eos @ 10s for the countdown
use Fey Wind @ 2.5s left on Eos cast. Then they can use Rouse/Whispering down during
the Punishing Heat cast. That will carry the regen through Prey and Mega Holy to buy
you some more DPS time. They shoud really use Indom to save you from having to heal between Mega Holy.

This would allow for about 7-8 more Malefic II before Alexander goes away.
(Noct Shield would cover the stack damage and the first hit of Prey, while letting you only heal the 2nd Prey Hit followed by your Aspected Helios,
while the Pet regen tops for Mega Holy. Which means you can go back to DPSing from Aspected Helios until Alexander goes away)

General's Wing adds - You can usually get 6 casts off before needing to Helios. Have your SCH
cast Succor just before all the little adds die to help with the upcoming Almost Holy.

Then Succor again after the 1st Almost Holy.

Malefic II VS Dots during adds. Average Malefic II is 4.1k
Getting 5.2k out of Combust II but only 3.5k out of Combust.
Would recommend casting Malefic II on the Winged adds that are almost dying so that
the Almost Holy hurts less. That should allow for extra Malefic II's and less Helios
especially if the SCH casts Succor in between the two Almost Holy's.

Because of Echo your SCH may want to adjust their Damage on the Winged adds as well.
Broil is 2.8k. Their Miasma and Shadowflare combined only did 1100 damage because the
adds die too quick. Typically I do two Broils on the first add to die. Then two Broils
on the 2nd add to die, then Miasma and Bio on the last add to die before casting Succor (for the Almost Holy) and then continuing with Broil.

Time/Might Phase - Fey Wind doesn't get a lot of use outside of the opener in this fight. I'd recommend having Eos up for the Time/Might. If the Might is tanked just outside the buff circle and Eos is placed in middle of the arena instead of just following the SCH around then both tanks can have a Roused Whispering Down. E4E is also really helpful if placed on the War @ this point.

*** The Fairy should be placed in the middle of the arena for this fight. There's a lot of lost casts with it following the SCH around and it's sometimes unable to reach targets.

For the Big Boss AOE with Tank LB

Succor is enough. Save Deployed Adlo for just before the boss reappears. This will help with people not dropping so low and helps with topping before Mega Holy and more DPS uptime. Spread Adlo + Fairy Regen will cover the need to Aspected Helios which allows AST to use Combust and Aero while moving into position to prevent any lost casts. (can probably fit 4 more Malefic II here) You can also finish the cast on a 5th Malefic II and then if you're brave enough refresh your Combust II during the run in instead of refreshing it early. Just don't missclick on Clerics lol.

After Divine Spear and before 2nd Temporal Stasis - about 6 DPS casts. Can go Combust II, M2, M2 and then when you see what mechanic you have use Combust II and Aero to get into Position and then cast a couple more M2's. The Regen + Fairy is more than enough for Alexander's auto's on the MT (again as long as the fairy isn't following the SCH around and not casting Embrace)

Timegates
- Keeping everyone topped too much. Casting Aspected Helios before timegates is all anyone should need. Aspected Benefic on top of that is a bit overkill. Use that time to cast your DPS spells. (~ 7 DPS casts lost before the first Crystal) ~7 more before 1st Inception. Once your co-healer is back
Aspected Benefic + Fairy can top the Main Tank. Aspected Benefic whoever gets the last crystal and DPS hard. Keep in mind how long your dots will be able to tick for because they wont do damage when he dissapears.

Tank took too much damage from Punishing Heat. Grit + Dark Mind. Maybe they were too slow on Mind and took 30k. Ideally you can just Disable the hit and let the Regen bring them back up while you DPS. Using Time Dilation on the Tank after using CO + Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios will buy plenty of DPS time as those regens are so strong.

Good use of the downtime after 1st Inception - Combust II, Combust, Aero on the run in and Malefic II's before the tank buster. Try to squeeze those extra DPS casts in after the Divine Spear though. Combust II, Combust, Malefic II spam until Gravity then Aero to run in and more M2 spam (~4-5 DPS casts missing). Regen and the pet will cover needed heals. Then Aspected Helios just after Inception cast, you've got Sprint, lots of time.

Rinse and repeat after 2nd Inception.

You really laid it on Alex after that. Only missed maybe 5 more Malefic II's just from being careful on everyone having extra regens etc.
Just try to let the tank stay topped with just Aspected Benefic and Pet heals and don't toss out the AOE regen until after the first puddles go
off. Just keep DPSing hard there.

So in total with including SCH using their tools to cover some heals (cause they can do that without losing any GCD's) there was a total of ~11,000 Potency worth of damage spells lost.

That comes out to about 218,000 Damage or 372 DPS.

Without other optimizations with the party and SCH you could probably fit about 7000 more potency in 136,000 Damange or 233 DPS.