[QOL IDEA] Multijob Queue

[Critical-Limit]

I just feel like this is, just que as tank but a 1% chance you'll que in progress as a dps or healer

[sarehptar]

I just feel like this is, just que as tank but a 1% chance you'll que in progress as a dps or healer

Probably depends on what you queue for though. DPS have much faster queues in any of the 24-man raids with only three tanks, etc. Plus, you wouldn't have to queue as a tank? You could just queue as healer or DPS. Or, you could just queue as three different DPS classes. It would be up to you!

[Critical-Limit]

Probably depends on what you queue for though. DPS have much faster queues in any of the 24-man raids with only three tanks, etc. Plus, you wouldn't have to queue as a tank? You could just queue as healer or DPS. Or, you could just queue as three different DPS classes. It would be up to you!

It's already up to me.

My point is tank>healer>DPS for most content.

As you said 24 man, would probably be healer>DPS>tank

My point is when your chances of getting a job is so low what's the point?

It would only benefit someone who wants to que as three of the role. War pld dark, or mnk Blm nin. If that's the case you just want random job selected for you. Why not go with my original proposal just /random to randomly generate which job you'll play.

Can I get a counter argument to this?

[sarehptar]

Can I get a counter argument to this?

What if I queued under the new rule for an extreme primal with three FC friends? Two go as tanks/DPS, me and the third person go as healers/DPS. By doing this, we're no longer locked out of being matched up with any pre-mades that already have at least one tank or healer. Before, if we queued as tanks and healers only, we would ONLY be matched up with DPS or pre-mades containing DPS. Many people try to speed up their queues by partying with at least one tank/healer friend, which can actually slow the queue down considerably if the DF has to match a whole bunch of partial parties that don't have complimentary make-ups. This helps reduce queue length in a way that /random deciding on a role wouldn't at all.

[Talraen]

What if I queued under the new rule for an extreme primal with three FC friends? Two go as tanks/DPS, me and the other person go as healers/DPS. By doing this, we're no longer locked out of being matched up with any pre-mades that already have at least one tank or healer. Before, if we queued as tanks and healers only, we would ONLY be matched up with DPS or pre-mades containing DPS. Many people try to speed up their queues by partying with at least one tank/healer friend, which can actually slow the queue down considerably if the DF has to match a whole bunch of partial parties that don't have complimentary make-ups. This helps reduce queue length in a way that /random deciding on a role wouldn't at all.

This would be a wonderful idea, but it is a programming nightmare. Having different jobs in different queues is one thing, but having different jobs in the same queue, especially in parties, increases matching complexity exponentially. If you queue as two tanks and two healers, the game just needs to find you some DPS. If you queue as two tank/DPS and two healer/DPS, then there are exponentially more combinations. And what about the next people in the queue? If you're first, and there are two tanks and three DPS queued together behind you, the system would need to take that into account to make optimal decisions. And if they're queued as multiple jobs... it gets out of hand very fast. This is the kind of dev request that makes your programmers start polishing their resumes, lol.

[sarehptar]

This would be a wonderful idea, but it is a programming nightmare. Having different jobs in different queues is one thing, but having different jobs in the same queue, especially in parties, increases matching complexity exponentially.

And we're back to the point I've made several times on this thread already. This isn't some insanely innovative idea that's never been heard of before. If FFXIV's systems can't handle the complexity of this, they're sub-optimal and should be improved. The developers should be polishing their resumes if they can't achieve something here that already exists in other games, including some with smaller budgets. I mean, imagine if I was a major company's customer service manager and tried to tell my boss that I couldn't meet customer expectations because updating our process would be too complex--meanwhile, our customers see three of our competitors already doing the thing I'm saying is too complex. It wouldn't fly. I would get fired.

And what about the next people in the queue?

The next people in the queue are the next people in the queue, and if they match up with the people before them, great, they get in faster! If not, they have to wait--just like they have to wait right now.

[SendohJin]

I mean, imagine if I was a major company's customer service manager and tried to tell my boss that I couldn't meet customer expectations because updating our process would be too complex--meanwhile, our customers see three of our competitors already doing the thing I'm saying is too complex. It wouldn't fly. I would get fired.

If you were a major company's customer service manager you would be some outsourced guy in India, the Philippines, Romania, Costa Rica or some other non-first world country that just barely speaks English.

Most major companies don't actually care about customers' petty grievances.

does like Google even have customer service? you have a problem with one of their "products" they just tell you it's in Beta on some forum post and tell you deal with it until they get around to updating it at some unspecified time in the future.

[Critical-Limit]

What if I queued under the new rule for an extreme primal with three FC friends? Two go as tanks/DPS, me and the third person go as healers/DPS. By doing this, we're no longer locked out of being matched up with any pre-mades that already have at least one tank or healer. Before, if we queued as tanks and healers only, we would ONLY be matched up with DPS or pre-mades containing DPS. Many people try to speed up their queues by partying with at least one tank/healer friend, which can actually slow the queue down considerably if the DF has to match a whole bunch of partial parties that don't have complimentary make-ups. This helps reduce queue length in a way that /random deciding on a role wouldn't at all.

Good point I was only thinking solo que for some reason. Would be especially good for slow content