[QOL IDEA] Multijob Queue

[Naunet]

Picture the information constantly changing and wait times changing.

That's not what we're talking about at all... You literally just queue up for multiple roles and whatever is needed first, the game puts you in as. If someone drops group mid-run, the finder does a role check before queueing again, giving people a chance to change their role to fill in the empty space.

[sarehptar]

Its a nice idea however based on the way the queue system is used, in any mmo, it will be constantly changing the queue and interfere with the set up.

I can kind of see what you're saying here but I think your example needs to be clarified. I assume what you're suggesting that someone might queue as a healer and DPS for a duty like an extreme primal, and be placed in a waiting party as a healer, but if another party suddenly opened up, i.e. if a DPS was vote-kicked from an in-progress party, the healer who also queued as DPS might be ripped from the waiting queue and bumped into the in-progress party.

However, this isn't really an issue? It happens in the game already. Any time you check "in-progress" you can cause this. You could be a lone tank sitting in a DF queue for an hour for an extreme primal, just waiting on one other tank to join your queue... but you checked in-progress and whoa, after an hour of waiting, suddenly a tank position has opened in an in-progress party for that primal! You'll be sucked out of your existing queue, leaving behind the six other people who desperately needed you. That kind of rematching already occurs every single day in the game and no one has complained? Just a fact of DF life that people can suddenly be sorted out of your queue (or just straight up leave), even after hours waiting.

As for queueing normally, when in-progress is not checked, I don't see how queuing as more than one job could cause an issue? You're not like... sitting in five queues at once and the DF closes its eyes and picks randomly where you go. There's a priority sorting system that wouldn't change, regardless of how many jobs you were queued as. The party that's been waiting the longest will always get you, whether they were waiting for a tank, a healer, or a DPS. (Yes, it's more complicated than this, i.e., if another party passes a similar time threshold, you can be moved from one queue to another--but that, again, already happens in game. It wouldn't be some magical new issue.)

[Talraen]

While this would be a nice feature, I suspect it might be a giant pain to implement. Queuing systems are incredibly complex on the backend. More to the point, though, we basically already have this feature: it's called "adventurer in need." Just queue as that, and generally that's the same role that would have gotten into a duty first anyway. (Admittedly that's only relevant for roulettes, but it's something! Also, just queue as a tank. That's the answer lol)

[ManuelBravo]

While this would be a nice feature, I suspect it might be a giant pain to implement. Queuing systems are incredibly complex on the backend. More to the point, though, we basically already have this feature: it's called "adventurer in need." Just queue as that, and generally that's the same role that would have gotten into a duty first anyway. (Admittedly that's only relevant for roulettes, but it's something! Also, just queue as a tank. That's the answer lol)

Yep easier said then done, back end stuff is were it gets tricky.

[sarehptar]

Yep easier said then done, back end stuff is were it gets tricky.

But again, doesn't that come down to "If FFXIV's back-end systems aren't well-optimized enough to deal with something that other MMOs have been doing for years, that's a problem with FFXIV that should be addressed"?

Like... why defend sub-optimal systems? Shouldn't players of FFXIV get at least roughly the same quality of life players of other mainstream MMOs have?

[ManuelBravo]

But again, doesn't that come down to "If FFXIV's back-end systems aren't well-optimized enough to deal with something that other MMOs have been doing for years, that's a problem with FFXIV that should be addressed"?

Like... why defend sub-optimal systems? Shouldn't players of FFXIV get at least roughly the same quality of life players of other mainstream MMOs have?

I did say it's a nice idea, yet you have to see some of the requirements. I'm pretty sure they have thought about it and are probably testing it. However, compare to other MMO's this MMO uses more resources than most, graphic, processing, and such. Ever wonder why it's recommended to use a 64bit system over a 32 bit system? they will support 32 bit system but yeah 64 would be ideal. Why it went from PS3 to PS4 format? yeah back end stuff. If your comparing MMO's, can you tell me of one that uses the same specs or higher that has implemented that system? I would like to find out how successful it's been and how often maintenance it's done.

[sarehptar]

I did say it's a nice idea, yet you have to see some of the requirements. However, compare to other MMO's this MMO uses more resources than most, graphic, processing, and such. Ever wonder why it's recommended to use a 64bit system over a 32 bit system? they will support 32 bit system but yeah 64 would be ideal. Why it went from PS3 to PS4 format? yeah back end stuff. If your comparing MMO's, can you tell me of one that uses the same specs or higher that has implemented that system? I would like to find out how successful it's been and how often maintenance it's done.

...Graphical requirements have nothing to do with queueing? And FFXIV being a resource hog is more proof of their systems being sub-optimal than being well-designed?

I'm fully aware that queuing is a complex process behind the scenes. But if something that already exists in other places and would massively improve player quality of life is too complex for FFXIV's developers to implement... maybe it's time to get some new developers. :/

[ManuelBravo]

...Graphical requirements have nothing to do with queueing? And FFXIV being a resource hog is more proof of their systems being sub-optimal than being well-designed?

I'm fully aware that queuing is a complex process behind the scenes. But if something that already exists in other places and would massively improve player quality of life is too complex for FFXIV's developers to implement... maybe it's time to get some new developers. :/

So no game you can mention?

[sarehptar]

So no game you can mention?

It's almost like you're surprised I didn't answer your question when you utterly ignored mine.

[Naunet]

So no game you can mention?

Is your question about MMOs that have 64 bit versions that have multi-role queueing..?? WoW, Rift, WildStar...