Coils of Bahamut... and its inconsistent challenge level.

[HyoMinPark]

Yeah yeah I get it you're like totally awesome... there... your customary ego feeding... so you can feel good about yourself.

Absolutely uncalled for. Do you think this sort of behavior is going to get people here to take you seriously and agree with you, much less the game's developers?

Now back to reality...
Honestly I don't know... Nothing happen... we were stuck there... nothing moved... nothing destroyed us...

Either the mechanic is broken if it can't kill you... (which is probable given we were level i240)...

It's quite possible that some mechanics that could one-shot people "back in the day" can no longer do so because the maximum damage was set to 9,999. An example of this would be King Behemoth's Ecliptic Meteor in LotA. If you are a WAR with 10,000 or higher HP, you can survive that attack without having to stand behind the comets.

Be that as it may, you could have just died and reset. Stepping into the center during the add phase will still kill you. Plus, I believe that phase is a DPS check, and if you don't meet it, the fight will still progress into the next phase. Although, as for what happens (massive damage or just instant death), I can't really say.

Even overgeared, Coil still has mechanics that can result in a wipe. Something that I rather enjoy because it means you still have to pay attention, and not just slam your face on the keyboard and clear it.

Or... *shock*.. *boggle*

The content was not designed to be run at level 60. Ergo... you probably need to be 50th level or things like that will happen...

I mean, that makes sense. Considering Coil was designed to be, and released as, the raid tier when the level cap was 50, and the max item level you could have by the end of ARR was only i130. So it would make sense that level 60 players in i240+ gear will be OP for the content. However, that doesn't make some of the fights (or their mechanics) trivial. Ignore enough of them, and you can still wipe.

And WHY is it incredibly difficult to run it at 50th level?

Whoa!! DuDE!! No one queues for it so you can't get a full 8 man group... what a frigging concept... one would think this is easy to understand...

I don't understand why the concept of "Use the Party Finder to get a group together" is such a foreign concept for people. That's what it's there for. Make use of it instead of just queuing via DF for content that others are not focused on running, and then complain when the queue doesn't pop. Want a faster queue? Use Party Finder.

So either make it level 50 appropriate... for THIS day and age... or bump it up to level 60 so we can get queues again...

If you want to be "level 50 appropriate", go grab some gear that just meets the minimum ilvl for each turn, and queue in (using that mystical thing called Party Finder to get your group together).

Redesigning Coil to be "level 60 appropriate" doesn't guarantee people will queue for it via Duty Finder anyway. Consider Thordan Ex and Sephirot Ex before the Raid Finder was introduced. DF queues took forever because those fights were not easily PUG-able. And really, they still aren't, but to a lesser degree than before. So, people would just put up Party Finders instead. If Coil was redesigned, it could very well be the same, considering that it was designed to be the Alexander Savage of ARR.

(Even with all the current Savage raids and Ex primals in DF--excluding Zurvan--people still tend to use Party Finder anyways.)

You know... like the ones in Alexander... Void Ark... Mhach... Dun Scaith.... heck even Crystal Tower...

Considering all of those are, in some way, used for current end-game progression (gear augmentation and relic quest, specifically), it would make sense that people are queuing up for them. Alexander gives i250 gear for those that just want to bridge the gap between a lower ilvl and a (semi) more current one, and some of the stats on the Prototype Alexandian gear are better than Shire. Void Ark, Weeping City, and Dun Scaith are all required to get the items you need to augment Shire gear, and Dun Scaith drops i260 gear. Crystal Tower is used for the weekly "Gift of the Archmagus" quest to give you an Aether Oil if you don't want to spend 700 Lore on it. And those are used for the 210-230 Anima step.

Compare these to Coil, and you don't really have a ground to stand on, because it's not a fair comparison. Coil is not used for current progression, but for other reasons such as Poetic bonus, glamour, the amazing story, tank mount farming, or just to challenge yourself. People are less likely to spend time focusing on that, and more time focusing on gearing up for Stormblood. Especially with the release date being less than two months away.

[Silverquick]

Absolutely uncalled for. Do you think this sort of behavior is going to get people here to take you seriously and agree with you, much less the game's developers?

Yeah no... Don't even go there... he's the one who started in with his "You're not uber enough" bs...

Yeah back in like, the day and stuff, this might have been something "uber" but now... its errm... like 50th level... yeah yesterdays news.

This has nothing to do with any kind of uber... it has to do with the fact you can't que for this one and do it normally anymore.

If it were either updated with level 60 gear, and the challenge level upgraded appropriately you might see people start doing it again. Or just drop it down to the normal 50th level content as its not relevent as some kind of uber top level raid anymore... so... no one does it.

Ergo... if you really want to do this, you're not going to be able to do it in the normal way anymore.

Ie, I just queue up for Alex, or Dun... and hey I'm in. Can't do that with this one until they either upgrade it... or downgrade it...

Take your choice, because right now its neither one... and it sure the heck isn't the top grade raid anymore.

[Settiesama]

Ergo... if you really want to do this, you're not going to be able to do it in the normal way anymore.

Ie, I just queue up for Alex, or Dun... and hey I'm in. Can't do that with this one until they either upgrade it... or downgrade it...

At the start, you couldn't just 'queue up' for Coils without having a full party pre-made anyway. Only when the content was old did they put it on DF for solo queue. Even then, chances to clear it when on DF was almost zilch, especially when it came to the likes of T9.
The main reason people don't queue for it now on DF is mainly that same reason, joining a bunch of random people for an almost certain wipe. Why risk the time and pain of trying to do content like that when you can just go in pre-made like it was originally intended and also at a much higher level to reduce the time spent?

[Silverquick]

you can just go in pre-made like it was originally intended and also at a much higher level to reduce the time spent?

Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us.

[Settiesama]

Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us.

Broke and stranded how exactly? It's perfectly fine the way it is now, as long as you follow mechanics still it's still perfectly fine. Fighting Bahamut Prime is still fun even at 60.

[Silverquick]

Broke and stranded how exactly? It's perfectly fine the way it is now, as long as you follow mechanics still it's still perfectly fine. Fighting Bahamut Prime is still fun even at 60.

Well if you missed it you should read back through the posts... I detailed it.

[Settiesama]

Well if you missed it you should read back through the posts... I detailed it.

I've read through it, and not seen any real logical problems, rather than you just whinging because you want insta-queues and what you can't have anymore. The content was designed for pre-made, it was designed for statics. Open DF didn't come until much later in the life of Coils, and even then the queues were incredibly slow because hardly anyone did it that way. Level 60 should not just make old content instant clears, despite the rewards at the end. People clear for different reasons, and they still have mechanics to teach.

If you want to do the content the way it was originally intended anyway, you're out of luck. Even synced, echo still ruins that for ya.

[Lambdafish]

Yeah I tried that, but as you can see the insta kill mechanics just broke it, and stranded us.

That sounds like a bug, that honestly has nothing to do with your issue. Make a bug report, then learn the fight.

[Neri]

That sounds like a bug, that honestly has nothing to do with your issue. Make a bug report, then learn the fight.

This really.

And please, stop with the "..." to every sentence that you use.

[Vidu]

Yeah no... Don't even go there... he's the one who started in with his "You're not uber enough" bs...
Yeah back in like, the day and stuff, this might have been something "uber" but now... its errm... like 50th level... yeah yesterdays news.

This has nothing to do with any kind of uber... it has to do with the fact you can't que for this one and do it normally anymore.

If it were either updated with level 60 gear, and the challenge level upgraded appropriately you might see people start doing it again. Or just drop it down to the normal 50th level content as its not relevent as some kind of uber top level raid anymore... so... no one does it.

Ergo... if you really want to do this, you're not going to be able to do it in the normal way anymore.

Ie, I just queue up for Alex, or Dun... and hey I'm in. Can't do that with this one until they either upgrade it... or downgrade it...

Take your choice, because right now its neither one... and it sure the heck isn't the top grade raid anymore.

First off: SHE simply said that you wiped because you failed mechanics - I even offered an explantion on how to handle them and analysed what might have went wrong - something, you and your group should have done, to figure out your mistake and fix it. My ego is fine, thank you very much - I dont need to inflate it with video game achievments, but I still enjoy a challenge - something we dont seem to have in common.
I'm not even saying this content is "uber" - I'm saying: This content still has mechanics that you need to deal with properly or it can and will wipe you, even at level 60 - and there is really, really nothing wrong with that. If you dont want to handle mechanics, stick to the 90% of content in the game that are less punishing and leave the challenging content alone for people like me, who prefer to play this game once in a while without the need of netflix on a second screen because its so boring to only have to press 4 buttons in a dungeon again.

I'll tell you again: Doing this content in DF was never the normal way. Doing this content with randoms was never intended. How do I know that? Even back in the day when it got unlocked and was still current content, you couldnt excatly queue for the Final Coil because, guess what: It required you to do so many mechanics that you needed a static for it.
Coil wasnt put into DF because "Now its so easy, everyone can do it!" but to make it more convenient for full groups to queue up for it - instead of having to walk to an NPC, have everyone in the same area and then select which turn you wanted to do.
You're under a big missconception if you believe that Coil was intended to be queued for - its basically the same with todays Toptier content that is in DF but wont pop because people know that PUGs wont be able to handle mechanics.

If the fight really froze, that is, again, a bug - that you can report.
Guess what - bugs and errors happen in a video game! Best fix here is: "Turn it off and on again" - not cry for nerfs...