As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[SmallHobbit]

As a healer, is it my job to DPS?

how to play a healer

if you dont wanna asleep you should do dps anyway take a look at the video how you should play healer.

regards hobbit

[Feyona]

Honestly, this is a back and forth between you and the tank as much as anything. I know if I were in that situation I would pop one of my lesser used cooldowns (bulwark or foresight), or if I know I won't need it, I'll use rampart. Fights are very predictable and you can usually anticipate incoming damage. Although what usually happens is that if I do go really low, benediction/lustrate etc. are enough. Communicate with your tank as well as your co-healer, they might be able to shed some light on where they feel they don't need as many heals.

Yes ok just would like you to go a9s as main heal, when you dont know fight that well. May you can see what I mean, or maybe not. Dont mean that badly, either but if your mindset is casual, kind of opposite way of hardcore and all you desire is just the clear. And thats the type of group you went for in the first place. All this optimal stuff is maybe something just to aspire to rather than norm. Oh just to say its not that your not right or anything as Im sure in this post you are

[Feyona]

I may go play Sims and have a break from stress

[Lambdafish]

Yes ok just would like you to go a9s as the main heal, when you don't know fight that well.

Healer DPS is actually worthless if you can't beat the fight unless you are performing DPS checks

Remember I said this once upon a time. I'm talking about optimisation, if you are learning the fight then do whatever you need to do to clear. If the tank needs extra healing, throw out extra healing, if you aren't sure of a phase, play it safe. But problems do start arising when the rest of the party has learned the fight, and you are still struggling (again, that can be communicated), because once that happens they will be expecting a higher level of play (if you are hitting enrage, for example, you may want to optimise on the phases that you do know in order to help your party clear). That's hypothetical btw, I'm in no way implying that is what is happening.

The same goes for tanks: I'll use the example of A10S, but when I was tanking that I was very cautious about my oaths, I would put shield oath on early in the OT position as I wasn't quite sure when the add would come out (which is very important to pick up), and I have the hindrance of the GCD. As I got used to the fight I spent longer in sword oath as I felt more comfortable about my gaps, which is a direct parallel to cleric stance.

[Judge_Xero]

I do and Im in the process of easing up on heals in general. Still have to heal the tank quite alot on that fight though. Maybe it just seems like it. I know if im healing the group more or something have to keep on tank, seems more than your numbers suggest. But my co heal is usually dpsing. Its just so much easier to think of topping everyone up so that nothing kills them, and I guess thats the way Ive approached it.

It probably just seems like the tank takes a lot of damage in A9S because of all the yo-oing but those were the exact numbers from your logs so they aren\\'t my values.

Nothing wrong with playing things safe during progression but you can\\'t always be learning fights. Like we are almost to 4.0 and that log you gave you had already done 100+ attempts at A9S.

You must be over 500 attempts of creator now.

[Feyona]

You must be over 500 attempts of creator now.

yes and like you said all those wipes wernt down to me and were certainly not due to me not dpsing ..dont think anyway. I think people learn stuff at different rates or ways. Its all cool. Just saying too high expectation from others causes stress, I left wow at end game too cos it was ruled by numbers. I thought the community there was more hostile cos of it too. When I came here it was good cos we havent got recount. I did raid there though it just got too much when people were kicked for doing 5k less dps than someone else. I played that game for 4 years. Nothing wrong with optimal play for those that like it ofc. Id just like a little less stress to play absolutely optimally and expectations I find stressful rather than enjoyable. Sorry thats just the way Im made. No not 500 attempts my static 1 shots a 9s and a10s now. But we dont do those any more..

[Feyona]

Remember I said this once upon a time. I'm talking about optimisation, if you are learning the fight then do whatever you need to do to clear. If the tank needs extra healing, throw out extra healing, if you aren't sure of a phase, play it safe. But problems do start arising when the rest of the party has learned the fight, and you are still struggling (again, that can be communicated), because once that happens they will be expecting
The same goes for tanks: I'll use the example of A10S, but when I was tanking that I was very cautious about my oath

I agree, and Im cautious as well. Its the way I am. I hate cleric because of it, and maybe why should anyone have pressure really if its unnessessary for enjoyment? Well I gradually get more comfortable with it too given chance that is

[Lambdafish]

why should anyone have pressure really if its unnessessary for enjoyment?

Because, as I said, you do whatever you need to do to clear. Personal enjoyment isn't a factor. I personally hate Sword oath, its clunky to move in and out of, and its effect is bland, but I still use it, because I am a terrible tank if I don't.

[AmeliaVerves]

In my experience some do need both healers to heal often if tank is in dps stance. Or people fail mechics alot. I did not have any bad intentions in it, was just statement that it happens. I think where Im coming from is I feel people may be uncomfortable with going in cleric, full stop, especially in new content.

You took what I said out of context, to fit your needs and to call me out.
"Look at her! She kicked a non DPSing Healer! There you go! People do stuff like that! The pressure is real!"
Furthermore you totally ignored the circumstances and even turned them?!
It was a farm group. No new content. We were a high skilled group with no failed mechanics. And the SCH still refused to DPS. He didn't even try. He stood there and said: "No, I will not use Cleric Stance, because I am a Healer and I am supposed to heal."
I did not insult. I did not harrass. I told him he is free to play like that, but not in my very own group and so I asked him to leave. He refused that aswell, so I kicked.

Please tell me, how is that pressure? If you join a farm group, you should not need to learn anything at all. You should be very good in what you do.
People do mistakes and are not perfect, that is fine, so don't try to turn what I said to pick on that.

And please, don't take that out of context again to make it fit your needs.

[Feyona]

You took what I said out of context, to fit your needs and to call me out.

Furthermore you totally ignored the circumstances and even turned them?!
It was a farm group. No new content. We were a high skilled group with no failed mechanics. And the SCH still refused to DPS. He didn't even try. He stood there and said: "No, I will not use Cleric Stance, because I am a Healer and I am supposed to heal."

I already apolgized and stated that I said it because people here were saying no one here kicks non dpsing healers. It was not meant in anyway negative towards you at all. The guy refusing to dps on principal he roled as healer. While I understand healer dps is expected in farms that is the whole or some measure the point of my argument. He was not harrassed no, or insulted even, but excluded therefore this does create pressure to dps as healer.